I like this kid.

He even cites Marcia Lusted and her book on Cooper, which was written for the young adult market.  Marcia a cool gal.

377 says:

"Wrong Robert. Doe warrants have been litigated in the appellate courts and found to be legal. I agree with your logic though. It was unequal treatment.

Prosecuting Cooper now, in the absence of unambiguous evidence of guilt such as fingerprints that were found on the plane and linked to the skyjacker would be VERY difficult given the FBI's loss of the most probative physical evidence: Cooper's cigarette butts. They are potential exculpatory evidence and their loss would support a VERY strong motion to dismiss based on spoliation of material evidence."  377    (This post was edited by 377 on Feb 11, 2015, 11:58 PM)


Well, if Appellate Courts have found John Doe warrants 'legal' then by definition there is no issue involving "equity"!
This even raises the issue of 'Cooper' being a special case! Issues of equity may not even apply just as in issues of terrorism ... much might depend on who the alleged Cooper was and his connection to National Security issues.

A Cooper John Doe Warrant may be be equal to just 'any john doe warrant' in some ordinary crime?

Prosecuting old cases usually involves higher levels of certainty in evidence? That probably would be the case in any modern prosecution of an alleged Cooper.  Likewise, forensic science today has advanced light years since 1971 so any forensic evidence is very likely going to have a sound statistical foundation by modern standards. Who keeps saying any prosecution of a Cooper must rely on cigarette butts (alone)? Or that the butts were ever lost - that is social media hearsay! Nor is it the FBI prosecuting anyone. It would a Federal Prosecutor's Office which would probably have high standards of it's own.

It's not for any of us to Judge in any event, in the social media!

    






 
 

It never made sense for Cooper to plant the money to throw them off the trail, or think he died. they already believe he died in the jump, and they were no where close to "being on his trail"

If you really want to get there attention, send them a twenty dollar bill. why risk someone keeping the cash. that was the original thought by the Ingram's in the first place.

Did Tina accept the money offered, who knows? did guilt riddle her through out the years? one can only speculate this avenue, but it would make the most sense if a plant was involved IMHO.

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It never made sense for Cooper to plant the money to throw them off the trail, or think he died. they already believe he died in the jump, and they were no where close to "being on his trail"

If you really want to get there attention, send them a twenty dollar bill. why risk someone keeping the cash. that was the original thought by the Ingram's in the first place.

Did Tina accept the money offered, who knows? did guilt riddle her through out the years? one can only speculate this avenue, but it would make the most sense if a plant was involved IMHO.

The problem with a plant is that the money had apparently been at, or very near to, Tina Bar for a number of years.  It had also been underwater and buried in sand during the annual floods and there was no realistic expectation that it would actually ever be found.  And it was only by pure chance that it was found.

Well, like a lot of conspiracy ideas, the poster at DZ is lumping a lot of falsehoods together to support an unprovable conclusion. (a) Tina is the key. (b) Tina equals Tina Bar. (c) Cooper had a fixation on Tina. (d) Cooper and Tina spent 45 minutes 'in secret'. (e) Safercracking is a better hydrologist than Bradley! (f) Safecracking considered tributaries Bradley didn't consider. (g) Safecracking's list of flow opportunities is comprehensive and he missed nothing... (h) The flight path is correct. (i) The drop zone (which one?) is correct! (j) Safecracking knows the correct flight path and drop zone! (k) There was no fragment field distributed through strata at T_Bar.  (l) Lab analysis of the bills would show they were only buried for a brief period of months (1971 to date). (m) Lab analysis of the bills would show the only place they have ever been in contact with the Earth is at Tina Bar. (n) There is no forensic evidence the Cooper bills were ever in contact with 1974 dredging sediments because those sediments were gone by 1979 when the Cooper money was planted in a location never contaminated by '74 dredge sediments. (o) All deterioration of the money and rubber bands occurred between the time Cooper planted it and it's discovery Feb 1980. (p) bundles of money cannot flow to Tina Bar and stay intact. (q) Cooper had a plan for getting Tina to dig up her money at Tina Bar. (r) Cooper sent a message to Tina. (s) Tina would never have told the FBI or her close friend Rataczak about being contacted by Cooper. (t) Tina went into seclusion because she had been contacted by Cooper, and she never told the FBI about this? (u) Cooper survived his jump with the money. (v) The Ingrams all lied about the discovery. (w) debris capable of bringing money bundles or a bag with it never arrives on Tina Bar via flow, from anywhere! (x) condition 'w' has never happened at Tina Bar between 11-24-71 and 2-12-80. (y) The FBI timeline of hijacking events and drop is correct. (z) Safecracking and the poster know what the correct timeline of events was/is. (aleph) ...  and the list goes on ...

In my opinion, the new poster's theory at DZ is a variant of the GreyCop theory, which was previously handled and dismissed. Maybe he has some new information and proofs not considered before? It's new-old news ?   
 

         

And the A-cad-omy Award to be presented tomorrow night, goes to Robert M Blevins, of Adventure Books which is not in Seattle as advertised either: for his alleged new 13 year old witness who Blev says has now testified that Kenny was making fake bombs made out of short rolls of quarters bound with red electrical tape, which sock puppet Blev says may account for the  8 red stick bomb Schaffner and Mucklow described Cooper having! (Whew! That was a mouthful!). Blevins Nation says quote:

The mother stated she was about 13 years old at the time. She said that not long before the hijacking, she walked into a shed on the Geestmans’ property and Kenny Christiansen was inside. He was working on something, and he turned to her and said, “You’re not supposed to be in here.” So she turned and left the shed. But before she did, she says, she got a good look at what he was doing. Allegedly, she saw Kenny wrapping red electrical tape around filled paper coin tubes, the type used to store quarters.* In addition, she says he was attaching wires to the coin tubes at the same time. And that these tubes were assembled two at a time to make one longer tube.

*This girl saw a lot in an instant of entering, being commanded to leave, and leaving quickly! She was able to count and describe every detail of what Kenny was working on but the hairs on Kenny's arms! The 13 year old girl must have a photographic memory! No mention of a brief case by the girl.

*The stews describe the bomb as consisting of 8 sticks (four top, four bottom) taped together, wires, and a roundish battery thingy. Total weight unknown.  All in a briefcase. Dynamite is approx 8" long x 1/1/4" weighing 8oz each. 8 sticks = approx 4 lbs. Say 1lb for battery ... total bomb weight excluding brief case approx 5lbs.

* Now lets look at quarters. Single roll of quarters is ~1" thick x 2 3/16" long. Each roll weighs approx 8 oz. It would take four 2 3/16" long rolls of quarters to approximate one 8 inch stick of dyn-o-mite. Forget for a moment dyn-o-mite is 1 1/4" thick while a roll of quarters is only approx 1" thick. The bomb built with quarters plus a battery weighs a minimum 17-18 pounds. The bomb from real dynamite weighs only: approx 5lbs. But, what is a 17-20 pound bomb for Kenny carry? Nothing! Kenny is used to ditch digging and is a manly mann! A real hunk of a man! The heavier the better. That's how manly bombs go! Kenny was probably sad that is weighed only 17-21 pounds while those coin tubes flopped around inside the brief case like dead fish! Yepper!

* Dynamite consists of paper wrapped tubes. Flexure is not an issue. The tubes are a strong solid tube.

*Joining paper rolls of quarters by means of a tape wrap introduces flexure at each joint. The fake tubes would bend at each joint due to the weight of the quarters. For a calculation of the flexure go here and calculate: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login 

I await Blevins' calculations on flexure of his fake dynamite sticks made from rolls of quarters over wrapped with red electrical tape. I think it will take until Hell freezes over before we have an answer on this critical issue from Adventure Books in Apt D at Auburn WA (which is not in Seattle as Blevins advertises!)

One gets the sense this is all a film script Blevins is writing?

Blevins let me give you some help: think gluing tubes together in addition to wrapping limp paper coin tubes with red  electrical tube. As in building model rockets! You do want this fiction to work and seem plausible, don't chu? Chew on it for a while and issue another REVISED-REVISED VERSION. You dcan it too to the FBI on Tuesday. I am sure they would welcome hearing from yous, and all of yous at G&R Houscleaning/Seattlke Adentire Boophs or whatever.     

     


 
   

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One gets the sense this is all a film script Blevins is writing?

That makes more sense than anything. why go through all that hassle? just cut some wood dowels for cry'n out loud   

Zip can be verified of what he claims these people are saying.

Thank Christ Cooper didn't have a nuclear accelerator - those are Heavy! It would take 500 years to build one of those with glue and red tape and match sticks all firing at once@! Tina would have been blinded life!

1.25 x 8 is not the only size dynamite comes in....

Mucklow's description:

Mucklow: In briefcase left corner had 8 sticks of dynamite about 6 inches
long and 1 inch in diameter. Two rows of them then a wire out of there.
Then a battery lite, a flashlight battery only as thick as my arm and 8
inches long.


BTW: I went to Wiki today and checked out the latest Wiki version of the Cooper hijacking. The bulk of the bomb description on Wiki is by Schaffner, not Mucklow?

I always thought it was Flo Cooper showed the bomb to?

Flo first then Mucklow later. Mucklow gave a report for the FBI over the radio at about 7:57

/7:57 pm    t1  [ Mucklow describes bomb to Gnd Control …]
MSP:    Have stewardess describe to you the brief case contents. Understand red dynamite sticks wire and battery
305:      Mucklow: In briefcase left corner had 8 sticks of dynamite about 6 inches
long and 1 inch in diameter. Two rows of them then a wire out of there.
Then a battery lite, a flashlight battery only as thick as my arm and 8
inches long.
MSP:       Roger.  /