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Offline Dfs346

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5865 on: December 30, 2020, 05:38:00 AM »
Not sure if this is the right sub-forum, moderators please move if appropriate.

Bruce Smith's list identifies 15 passengers, including the hijacker, who boarded Flight 305 at Portland. Is it known whether these 15 passengers boarded via the front stairs, the aft airstair, or both? If via the front stairs, then the 21 passengers already aboard would have had opportunities to notice the boarding passengers.

If this is already answered on the FBI Vault, part number and page number would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5866 on: December 30, 2020, 04:31:42 PM »
All the PDX passengers boarded 305 via the aft stairs, as per statements from Bill Mitchell and others. Not sure if that information is in a 302, though. I'll look, but my eyeballs aren't as strong as Georger's, Nat's, FJ's and some others.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5867 on: December 31, 2020, 11:02:50 PM »
If there are sets of prints that can be used to eliminate suspects and also identify Cooper is there anyway the FBI would be interested in providing that information to dedicated investigators on this site. Im sure there are more than a few people here willing to sit and compare military fingerprints with the ones on file with the FBI if that was even possible. Im sure the FBI wont waste their time but im sure people on this forum would. Could just finally solve the case. God forbid Lol
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5868 on: January 01, 2021, 01:12:58 AM »
I would imagine that the FBI would tout privacy concerns, but I think your proposal Slick is a good one.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5869 on: January 01, 2021, 12:54:47 PM »
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I would imagine that the FBI would tout privacy concerns, but I think your proposal Slick is a good one.

I doubt that the FBI has any interest in a private citizen doing what they have been unable to do in nearly 50 years. It wouldn't be a good look for them.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5870 on: January 02, 2021, 01:29:45 AM »

Happy New Year All,

Well here is the first new Cooper Data of 2021.  Flyjack asked if I would analyze a lighter from the early 70's to see if the lighter particles matched the tie. He came up with one on Ebay and sent it over. The lighter didn't have a flint in it but it turned out better than that. There was a residue inside the metal cap that represented the entire life of the lighter. I was able to extract and analyze that residue under the SEM with elemental analysis.

The very surprising findings were boron and gallium in significant quantities. I have never seen either of these elements in any sample anywhere before. Neither of these elements were found on the tie that I can recall. So IF this lighter is representative of early 70's lighters, then it is very unlikely Cooper used a lighter on a regular basis. Not the best  outcome and represents negative data but hey at least it is something!

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5871 on: January 02, 2021, 02:08:52 AM »
Ruling something out is always a good thing. Thanks, Tom.

Happy New Year, too.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5872 on: January 02, 2021, 12:41:29 PM »
Interesting. I wonder how many suspect pushers will now come forward a tell us how their guy was never known to use a lighter? I'm sure there may even be some "witness testimony" to back that up.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5873 on: January 02, 2021, 12:46:03 PM »
Lighters were never used as much as they are today. people would store the matches inside the cellophane of the cigarette pack. Zippo lighters were used a lot. I remember the round cricket lighter. Ohio blue tip matches were popular with camping and lighting grills.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5874 on: January 02, 2021, 12:57:04 PM »
Typically, you cup a light in your hands from the wind before lighting and has a barrier surrounding the lighter. you do the same with matches but you don't protect striking the match until it lights. you will typically strike a match close to where the tie would be. some strike outwards and some strike the match inwards.
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« Reply #5875 on: January 02, 2021, 01:14:16 PM »
The striker on a match pack or box also contains glass powder and sand, in addition to red phosphorus. The glass powder and sand provide friction that helps create the heat needed to turn a bit of the red phosphorus into white phosphorus, which is more volatile and ignites more easily.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5876 on: January 02, 2021, 03:01:12 PM »
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Happy New Year All,

Well here is the first new Cooper Data of 2021.  Flyjack asked if I would analyze a lighter from the early 70's to see if the lighter particles matched the tie. He came up with one on Ebay and sent it over. The lighter didn't have a flint in it but it turned out better than that. There was a residue inside the metal cap that represented the entire life of the lighter. I was able to extract and analyze that residue under the SEM with elemental analysis.

The very surprising findings were boron and gallium in significant quantities. I have never seen either of these elements in any sample anywhere before. Neither of these elements were found on the tie that I can recall. So IF this lighter is representative of early 70's lighters, then it is very unlikely Cooper used a lighter on a regular basis. Not the best  outcome and represents negative data but hey at least it is something!

Tom Kaye

This strengthens the tie's connection to Cooper, so this is a good result.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5877 on: January 02, 2021, 05:55:59 PM »
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Happy New Year All,

Well here is the first new Cooper Data of 2021.  Flyjack asked if I would analyze a lighter from the early 70's to see if the lighter particles matched the tie. He came up with one on Ebay and sent it over. The lighter didn't have a flint in it but it turned out better than that. There was a residue inside the metal cap that represented the entire life of the lighter. I was able to extract and analyze that residue under the SEM with elemental analysis.

The very surprising findings were boron and gallium in significant quantities. I have never seen either of these elements in any sample anywhere before. Neither of these elements were found on the tie that I can recall. So IF this lighter is representative of early 70's lighters, then it is very unlikely Cooper used a lighter on a regular basis. Not the best  outcome and represents negative data but hey at least it is something!

Tom Kaye

This strengthens the tie's connection to Cooper, so this is a good result.

Cooper was apparently a dedicated user of the Sky Chef matches that came with the Sky Chef airline meal service and four cigarettes that was the standard in the 1971 time frame.

Cooper apparently had one small pack of those matches with him initially and I think one of the stews gave him another one.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5878 on: January 02, 2021, 08:06:42 PM »
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Happy New Year All,

Well here is the first new Cooper Data of 2021.  Flyjack asked if I would analyze a lighter from the early 70's to see if the lighter particles matched the tie. He came up with one on Ebay and sent it over. The lighter didn't have a flint in it but it turned out better than that. There was a residue inside the metal cap that represented the entire life of the lighter. I was able to extract and analyze that residue under the SEM with elemental analysis.

The very surprising findings were boron and gallium in significant quantities. I have never seen either of these elements in any sample anywhere before. Neither of these elements were found on the tie that I can recall. So IF this lighter is representative of early 70's lighters, then it is very unlikely Cooper used a lighter on a regular basis. Not the best  outcome and represents negative data but hey at least it is something!

Tom Kaye

This strengthens the tie's connection to Cooper, so this is a good result.

Cooper was apparently a dedicated user of the Sky Chef matches that came with the Sky Chef airline meal service and four cigarettes that was the standard in the 1971 time frame.

Cooper apparently had one small pack of those matches with him initially and I think one of the stews gave him another one.

Tina mentioned an ICS school matchbook. It makes more sense this is the matchbook cooper had and the sky chef book came from the plane.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5879 on: January 02, 2021, 11:18:05 PM »
 What Tosaw states differs from the 302's. ICS matches were probably all over the country. they were more powerful than business cards. they made all kinds of different matches for each trade they had courses for. business, technical & industrial courses. they were in magazines and probably billboards..

The matches below show different courses with most of the info on the inside of them..

The link shows lots of things ICS used and advertised with..

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