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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #585 on: December 25, 2014, 01:32:55 PM »
FBI rejects latest D.B. Cooper suspect
Bonney Lake man accused of crime
 October 26, 2007
 
A man identified in a recent magazine article as possibly having been the infamous plane hijacker D.B. Cooper was almost certainly not him, the FBI said Friday.

 While the man's face resembled a composite sketch of Cooper, the height, weight, eye color and skin tone were all too far off, said Special Agent Larry Carr, who has been assigned to the long-unsolved case for the past six months.

 Cooper hijacked a Northwest Orient Airlines flight from Portland in 1971 and parachuted out with $200,000 in ransom money. His fate remains unknown, but Carr said he believes Cooper died in the jump.

 New York magazine recently located a Minnesota man, Lyle Christiansen, who believed his brother Kenneth of Bonney Lake -- a Northwest employee and former paratrooper -- was D.B. Cooper.

But the man was 5-foot-8 and 150 pounds, at least 4 inches shorter and about 30 pounds lighter than Cooper. Kenneth Christiansen, who died of cancer in 1994, had hazel eyes, not brown, and he had pale skin, not olive.

"He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said.

Though the case has been dormant in recent years, Carr said he plans to release details never before seen by the public -- including notes written by the flight attendants and conversations between the plane and the tower -- in hopes that will prompt new clues.

In the hijacking, a man who identified himself as Dan Cooper boarded a plane headed for Seattle on Nov. 24, 1971, told the crew once the plane was in the air that he had a bomb and demanded $200,000 and parachutes. When the plane landed at Seattle, he released the passengers in exchange for the money and ordered the pilot to fly toward Mexico. While in the air, Cooper apparently then jumped from the rear stairway of the plane.

The jumper later became known as D.B. Cooper after authorities questioned and then released a man named Daniel B. Cooper. That man was cleared, but the name stuck
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #586 on: December 25, 2014, 01:36:57 PM »
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Thursday, November 22, 2001

By JON HAHN
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST



There's some that say that Jerry Curtis drove around the block one time too many in his 30-some years as a Seattle taxi driver, but he swears one of his drive-around passengers was D.B. Cooper.

And it was about a month before the infamous Cooper's pulling off the only successful American skyjacking, on Thanksgiving Eve, 1971.

"In fact, I was probably the guy who helped him decide to do an airplane," said Jerry, "because I talked him out of robbing a West Seattle supermarket."

 Jerry, a Navy veteran who now lives on a meager disability in Granite Falls, said he has "no reason or hope of any gain by telling this now, but it should be told. I didn't put it all together until weeks after the hijacking, and I never told anyone until years later, and then they looked at me as though I said I'd seen Elvis Presley."

 Jerry sent his story on tape, then met with me in Arlington, and swears that the unidentified passenger who asked for him by name at Gray Top Cab on that Saturday afternoon in October 1971, was the same guy later identified as Dan Cooper, aka D.B. Cooper.

 "I didn't have any action going at the Mayflower Hotel then -- sometimes I'd take care of stuff for drunken seamen in town, or maybe a working lady hiding from her pimp -- but not on that day," he said. The man had used a direct line to call the cab company and asked for Jerry by name.

 After a brief back-and-forth, Jerry determined that this was the man his lawyer earlier said had been asking for someone like him. "My lawyer wouldn't say what or why," Jerry recalled. "In fact, he said only that the guy was a client who needed someone like me, but that was all he was gonna say about it."

 Long story, short: The swarthy, athletically built fellow, maybe about 6-feet and maybe in his mid-40s and dressed in a light blue leisure suit, shiny white loafers and matching belt, put $5 on the cab seat and said he wanted to ride around and talk ... about his plan for robbing a West Seattle supermarket. "He said he came here every year to do a job, then went back home over the mountains and plowed the money back into his business," Jerry said.

 "He said he was a solid citizen, belonging to the Junior Chamber of Commerce and the Lions, and that he had a wife, two kids, a station wagon and a German shepherd. His plan was to put on a pair of white overalls and rob a supermarket and then ditch the overalls so that he'd look like a businessman taking a cab ride.

 Even though the stranger offered him half of the take, Jerry nixed the idea, telling the guy that "whenever anything heavy goes down in West Seattle, the cops always block off the five or six main routes in and out of there." They talked some more as Jerry drove him back to the Mayflower Hotel, where the man ended the session by saying that he "was gonna go back home and think about doing something else. He said he had an idea about 'doing something with an airplane,'" Jerry said.

 About a month later, Jerry was driving cab again when he heard the skyjacking action on his police scanner and saw the Northwest Airlines Boeing 727 isolated to one side at Sea-Tac Airport while police and airline officials scrambled to fill a duffle bag with more than 20 pounds of used $20 bills.

 "But I didn't think any more of it till they released the composite sketch of this Cooper guy a week or so later. That was him. It was the same guy who wanted to rob a West Seattle supermarket!"

 Jerry wasn't convinced when I showed him a wire photo of Duane Web, who according to a news story last year confessed on his death bed that he was Dan Cooper. Web, who died of kidney disease in 1995, apparently filled some of the D.B. Cooper profile, including familiarity with the Puget Sound area, Army service and a criminal record that included serving time in a Seattle-area prison. My own searching was unable to link Web to the Cooper profile. And the Seattle lawyer who Jerry said referred the stranger to him has died.

 Leaving us with another chapter in Puget Sound's Thanksgiving folklore. We could call this one: "Cabbie Talks Turkey Into Stuffing West Seattle -- Coop Flies & Flees With Big Holiday Score."

The above story does not pass the smell test.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #587 on: December 25, 2014, 01:40:27 PM »
It's right up Bruce's alley though  ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #588 on: December 25, 2014, 02:37:42 PM »
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Merry Christmas to all of you!

It has been my pleasure here but, the situation is becoming an impossible one.

(and a Merry Christmas to you Tina.)

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Shutter adds: Exactly how are things impossible. people ask questions when one has no answer!! you need to back up what you are saying vs running away.

Picture could be those zinc flowers found on Cooper's tie... Any thoughts, or do I have to beg?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #589 on: December 25, 2014, 02:44:40 PM »
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Merry Christmas to all of you!

It has been my pleasure here but, the situation is becoming an impossible one.

(and a Merry Christmas to you Tina.)

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Shutter adds: Exactly how are things impossible. people ask questions when one has no answer!! you need to back up what you are saying vs running away.

Picture could be those zinc flowers found on Cooper's tie... Any thoughts, or do I have to beg?


What zinc flowers? the pic itself you are referring too? and the possibility this is from the tie?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #590 on: December 25, 2014, 04:52:57 PM »
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Merry Christmas to all of you!

It has been my pleasure here but, the situation is becoming an impossible one.

(and a Merry Christmas to you Tina.)

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Shutter adds: Exactly how are things impossible. people ask questions when one has no answer!! you need to back up what you are saying vs running away.

Picture could be those zinc flowers found on Cooper's tie... Any thoughts, or do I have to beg?


What zinc flowers? the pic itself you are referring too? and the possibility this is from the tie?

Bottom right photo, I'd attach it but I don't want to violate Kaye's [& et al.] copyright:

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #591 on: December 25, 2014, 05:28:39 PM »
I think this is a Georger area. I'm weak in this area, and don't know much about this stuff..

Zinc flowers: Noun 1.   flowers of zinc - oxide of zinc; a white powder used as a pigment or in cosmetics or glass or inks and in zinc ointment.

His angle could be Cooper wore makeup.
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« Reply #592 on: December 25, 2014, 06:19:35 PM »
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I think this is a Georger area. I'm weak in this area, and don't know much about this stuff..

Zinc flowers: Noun 1.   flowers of zinc - oxide of zinc; a white powder used as a pigment or in cosmetics or glass or inks and in zinc ointment.

His angle could be Cooper wore makeup.

Kaye says "zinc" and not zinc-oxide. I dunno... Zinc oxide is used in so many places it may not be helpful... unless the tetrahedral form of it is special in some way.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #593 on: December 26, 2014, 07:59:47 PM »
Looks like the younger generation made a rap song about DB Cooper...


 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #594 on: December 27, 2014, 05:17:15 AM »
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I stayed far away from naming the specific groups and people in those groups that worked the problem at McChord ... for fear of being dead wrong and not wishing to release names. I may name the groups I have later, and you or someone can tell me how totally wrong I am. I will expect the worst!    :)   :)

I've taken just one lesson, from an old guy that claims to be a wizard, on being a seer.  He seems legit, but he's charging me a bundle, so I'd like to figure out if it's really working.  re. the above, I'm "seeing" (maybe just "feeling," but I'm hoping it's "seeing"):  a building supply ordinal...... and what a civilian might abbreviate "RES."

That's all I'm getting right now.  Anyway, I hope you hurry so I can see how I'm doing. :)
 

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« Reply #595 on: January 03, 2015, 01:46:49 AM »
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I stayed far away from naming the specific groups and people in those groups that worked the problem at McChord ... for fear of being dead wrong and not wishing to release names. I may name the groups I have later, and you or someone can tell me how totally wrong I am. I will expect the worst!    :)   :)

I've taken just one lesson, from an old guy that claims to be a wizard, on being a seer.  He seems legit, but he's charging me a bundle, so I'd like to figure out if it's really working.  re. the above, I'm "seeing" (maybe just "feeling," but I'm hoping it's "seeing"):  a building supply ordinal...... and what a civilian might abbreviate "RES."

That's all I'm getting right now.  Anyway, I hope you hurry so I can see how I'm doing. :)

I smell holly hocks! No. Holly hocks and snow. Freshly fallen snow. Now I smell a stove ... over heating. A fire. Souls dashing around, yelling, screaming, back door slams many times ... holly hocks can't communicate but are trying! It's December 31st and minus 2-0 but the holly hocks are still somehow alive ... communicating ... with grandma. More smoke. Fire! Yep that's it!   Wiener roast on December 31st, 1930.  They all survived.  At least I can sleep tonight...
 

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« Reply #596 on: January 03, 2015, 06:56:05 PM »
Seems it took 64 years to find this guy, and his plane in Washington.

Missing flier comes out of thin air
Chance and sleuthing solve 60-year mystery of North Cascades

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #597 on: January 09, 2015, 09:42:19 PM »
I've seen this video before, but didn't catch what Captain Scott said. "after recalculating the flight path, they were looking in the wrong place"

How much radar data is playing a role here?

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #598 on: January 18, 2015, 12:41:00 AM »
Here's one I never heard of before. Cooper using bad language? a 1996 article with Jerry Thomas, and quotes from Himmel..

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He used filthy language and although he was generally calm, he drank whiskey and smoked at least eight Raleigh filter-tip cigarettes while on the plane. He tried to give one of the attendants a $20 tip, but she refused.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #599 on: January 22, 2015, 08:19:41 PM »
Video made by a kid for school. he did pretty good. I heard a few error's. but he did good...