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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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50% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5475 on: April 11, 2020, 04:30:55 AM »
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Fly, is that you spamming the DZ? Got a feeling whomever is is both reading this forum and is not happy about my most recent post.  If it's you, tone it down.

Whoever it is, holy SHIT did I need that laugh. I'm still trying to stop.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5476 on: April 11, 2020, 11:38:36 AM »
I forgot about Derek. looking on the DZ it appears they acted quickly this time...I don't know what he posted this time. he's just venting as one would say..since they have an open membership he's going to be hard to stop.

All of this is nonsense. it appears Georger is pushing fly's buttons and it worked. who would believe the FBI knew Tina was involved or knew Cooper, it's foolish. he's more than welcome to have any theory but it will be challenged. Georger is wrong in the approach to that challenge though.

The 302's are a very good tool but one needs to go further. Eric is in the background doing just that. he going much further than reading two documents and claiming fact. a lot of people say a lot of negative things about him but fail to actually get to know him. I speak with him often on the phone. bringing up a ticket from 1989 isn't going to work either. especially, if you fail to have all the facts. Blevins can't compete with him on any level. he is weak and not business savvy. that leaves him to whine over and over like a broken record. he will tell you how it should be done but fail to prove it. that's a fact. every year he will claim to hold an event only to back out. I don't believe everything Eric says and we argue on the phone about it and laugh about it as well. if I'm wrong, it is what it is...If Eric is wrong the same applies. Tom Kaye is also working hard in the background. Tom's work is key to the case..

A lot of things are done in the background...I released the very first 302's years back. all done in the background.

ALL of this crap is nonproductive..

Shutter
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5477 on: April 11, 2020, 04:13:12 PM »
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I forgot about Derek. looking on the DZ it appears they acted quickly this time...I don't know what he posted this time. he's just venting as one would say..since they have an open membership he's going to be hard to stop.

All of this is nonsense. it appears Georger is pushing fly's buttons and it worked. who would believe the FBI knew Tina was involved or knew Cooper, it's foolish. he's more than welcome to have any theory but it will be challenged. Georger is wrong in the approach to that challenge though.

The 302's are a very good tool but one needs to go further. Eric is in the background doing just that. he going much further than reading two documents and claiming fact. a lot of people say a lot of negative things about him but fail to actually get to know him. I speak with him often on the phone. bringing up a ticket from 1989 isn't going to work either. especially, if you fail to have all the facts. Blevins can't compete with him on any level. he is weak and not business savvy. that leaves him to whine over and over like a broken record. he will tell you how it should be done but fail to prove it. that's a fact. every year he will claim to hold an event only to back out. I don't believe everything Eric says and we argue on the phone about it and laugh about it as well. if I'm wrong, it is what it is...If Eric is wrong the same applies. Tom Kaye is also working hard in the background. Tom's work is key to the case..

A lot of things are done in the background...I released the very first 302's years back. all done in the background.

ALL of this crap is nonproductive..

Shutter

... Agree with most of this. I try to keep my humor about these things.  >:(   ;D

Its a bold assertion for anyone to post a photo of Tina at Reno and then say - see the bulge of Cooper bills in her coat pocket? Without any proof whatever.

I want to see FLYJACK'S Jesus in the Toast! So, I did some actual image analysis, to better define the issue. I await FLYJACK'S actual image analysis? It goes without saying that will never happen!  ;)  Maybe this enhanced photo  will better define FJ's 'Cooper money in the Toast'. If you look closely it does look like there is a small round object in her pocket - her compass?  ;)

More enhanced photos will follow later including weighted isophots and surface elevation data trying to determine the geometry of what is in her pocket, but nothing of a rectangular nature (money stack) has turned up so far. FJ is free to post his own image analysis photos using his Erector Set. 

In fact, during none of the time Tina was with Cooper did she ever have her coat on. So if she was given a stac of Cooper bills she would have slipped that into her uniform pocket. She would have had to transfer the stack to her coat pocket later, some time, somewhere .... in a universe far away!   

BTW* those are deep pockets on that coat?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5478 on: April 11, 2020, 04:19:22 PM »
I can clearly see wires and dynamite.
 

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« Reply #5479 on: April 11, 2020, 04:21:27 PM »
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I can clearly see wires and dynamite.

Hell yes! I see it now too!  Sharp eyes... good call!  :bravo:

The interesting stuff will follow tonight ... after 10:00pm csdt.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5480 on: April 11, 2020, 09:04:08 PM »
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I forgot about Derek. looking on the DZ it appears they acted quickly this time...I don't know what he posted this time. he's just venting as one would say..since they have an open membership he's going to be hard to stop.

All of this is nonsense. it appears Georger is pushing fly's buttons and it worked. who would believe the FBI knew Tina was involved or knew Cooper, it's foolish. he's more than welcome to have any theory but it will be challenged. Georger is wrong in the approach to that challenge though.

The 302's are a very good tool but one needs to go further. Eric is in the background doing just that. he going much further than reading two documents and claiming fact. a lot of people say a lot of negative things about him but fail to actually get to know him. I speak with him often on the phone. bringing up a ticket from 1989 isn't going to work either. especially, if you fail to have all the facts. Blevins can't compete with him on any level. he is weak and not business savvy. that leaves him to whine over and over like a broken record. he will tell you how it should be done but fail to prove it. that's a fact. every year he will claim to hold an event only to back out. I don't believe everything Eric says and we argue on the phone about it and laugh about it as well. if I'm wrong, it is what it is...If Eric is wrong the same applies. Tom Kaye is also working hard in the background. Tom's work is key to the case..

A lot of things are done in the background...I released the very first 302's years back. all done in the background.

ALL of this crap is nonproductive..

Shutter

I appreciate the kind words here. Indeed, Shutter and I have had several calls talking about all kinds of things..usually while drinking beer or wine...it's amazing how smart we become with a few drinks.

I appreciate honest debate. I have never had a problem with anyone challenging my theories, after all, it forces me to think and defend them if appropriate. That is how progress is forged, whether one be a Cooper investigator or President of the United States.

Obviously cheap attacks and personal slights are pure BS. Additionally, the hypocrisy from some is stunning. It is amazing how the ones who complain the most about being attacked are the ones who attack the most.

I love this forum when there is honest and vigorous debate about valid issues and theories. Even Fly's recent theory involving Tina and the cash--although quite audacious--is praise-worthy to the extent that it's a theory put out there for people to debate. I may not agree with the theory but I certainly appreciate people having theories.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5481 on: April 11, 2020, 09:34:26 PM »
I have a few suspects. One of them is alive. I don't post that person's name or my suspicions publicly because of the damage it can cause to a probably innocent person. I think it's reckless and lacking empathy to do that.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5482 on: April 11, 2020, 09:57:12 PM »
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Whoever it is, holy SHIT did I need that laugh. I'm still trying to stop.

Alright, laughing's over. The DZ is a river of gay porn right now. Don't need to know what's happening with the accomplice angle that badly.  Hope I didn't encourage it with my initial LOL.

Spammer dude over there must not recall that the thread tends to have Federal Agents on it.

WAIT!!! wouldn't it be great if Tina Mucklow was the spammer, and she knew that this was a great way to stop chatter about her on a page full of testosterone junkies???  Just post tranny porn and watch the page go dark. Well-played, imaginary Tina!! :congrats:

Some day this virus will go away, and I'll get my regular sleep schedule back. And then you'll all miss me.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5483 on: April 12, 2020, 12:10:18 AM »
Examination of the Rataczak-Tina photo walking in stride, is straightforward.

Tina is slightly ahead, both subject's knees bent in stride, Tina may be half a step ahead of Rzk. Rzk's uniform is hanging straight from his mid section down below his hips. Tina has a bulky coat on. Tina is holding a book and tissue (Kleenex) in her left hand, pressed tightly into her coat left of the mid line zipper (against her torso just above her left hip).

It is the book pressed against her body and coat (left side) that is causing coat deformations seen both on the right side of the zipper, and on her left side starting just above the left pocket all the way down the end of the zipper. This action photo was taken with the subjects in mid-stride. Tina's right leg and knee are extended forward, her left leg and knee are lagging behind so Tina is in stride taking a step with her coat compressed forward basically along the zipper line of the coat. The socalled 'pocket bulge' referred to by FJ is nothing more than a deformation of Tina's coat caused by pressure from the book in her left hand, pressed against her coat.

see next post -
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« Reply #5484 on: April 12, 2020, 12:13:52 AM »
Examination of the Rataczak-Tina photo walking in stride part 2.

Is there any evidence of a rectangular object being concealed, within the left side bulging area of Tina's coat. Pixel density examinations in the 'bulge' area(s) show only natural fabric bending but no such rectangular formation related to a stack of bills alleged by FLYJACK . In addition isophot line analysis did not reveal any rectangular objects, or I would be posting them! See attached
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« Reply #5485 on: April 12, 2020, 01:00:23 AM »
Im going to post this negative image of Tina and Rataczak in motion, walking in stride, because it shows the multiple deformations in Tina's coat as a function of her body in motion with her right leg and knee extended, and the fact she is pressing her book hard against her body/coat in motion. There is nothing unusual here. No Jesus in the Toast - no packet of bills being concealed behind some unusual bulges in the pocket area(s) of her coat. No evidence of a conspiracy here. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5486 on: April 12, 2020, 02:01:14 AM »
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It occurred to me a while back that Cooper wore shades for the duration of a hijacking. If it was me, I would want to see every detail of everything going on ahead of me. I mean, how could he tell if anyone was tiptoeing around up in first class when he glanced below the curtain?

Which leads me to ask: how likely is it that they were plain sunglasses versus prescription? A prescription comes with a person attached to it.

I've come across several references to a study done in 1971 that showed that 18 million Americans owned Prescription Sunglasses, which is roughly 9% of the population. Assuming that most of them are older, this increases the proportion of Cooper's age group who would own them. Let's say...20%? Rough guess?

So stats say it's probably a one in five that Coop owned script shades, and given that he took on a hijacking I'm betting he was wearing a pair. One of the stews got that feeling, too.

ID his shades in 1971 and with a little footwork you can close in on him.  So does anyone know if they were able to come close to positively ID'ing the brand? Shutter, you did some nice work finding info on the tie clip.

They might have been prescription and it’s worth looking into but why did cooper Don the shades? Was it to hide his eyes maybe but then why did he take them off at one point allowing them to be seen. Also the sunglasses made him stand out which would be a negative. Mitchell even said the first thing he noticed is cooper had sunglasses on and thought that was kind of weird. My opinion is he need the glasses some have said it was to acclimate his eyes for the night jump but I’ve matched 17 of the tie particles to welding fumes, people who have exposure to the welding arc can develop what they call arc eye which can make your eyes very sensitive to light. Mitchell said it was over cast but the sun was strong when it peeked through the cloud cover. I think cooper had arc eye and was sensitive to light and that’s why he wore the glasses.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5487 on: April 12, 2020, 02:23:37 AM »
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They might have been prescription and it’s worth looking into but why did cooper Don the shades? Was it to hide his eyes maybe but then why did he take them off at one point allowing them to be seen. Also the sunglasses made him stand out which would be a negative. Mitchell even said the first thing he noticed is cooper had sunglasses on and thought that was kind of weird. My opinion is he need the glasses some have said it was to acclimate his eyes for the night jump but I’ve matched 17 of the tie particles to welding fumes, people who have exposure to the welding arc can develop what they call arc eye which can make your eyes very sensitive to light. Mitchell said it was over cast but the sun was strong when it peeked through the cloud cover. I think cooper had arc eye and was sensitive to light and that’s why he wore the glasses.

That's a very specific guess, having arc eye. Have a look at the attachment - it's an ad for sunglasses from 1971 that jokes that, "burglars and bank robbers find dark glasses a wonderful replacement to old-fashioned masks," and that "nine out of 10 bank robbers wear sun glasses."  Apparently, it was cliche enough to comment on: crooks often wore shades.

Whether he was a welder or just a hack who saw a lot of TV, if they were script glasses, he could have potentially been identified by them. Too bad he had nothing but kids around him. If Lynn was his stewardess, Shutter was in 18A, Bruce was in the cowboy hat and Tom Kaye sold him the ticket, he'd have been caught.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5488 on: April 12, 2020, 10:01:06 AM »
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Whether he was a welder or just a hack who saw a lot of TV, if they were script glasses, he could have potentially been identified by them. Too bad he had nothing but kids around him. If Lynn was his stewardess, Shutter was in 18A, Bruce was in the cowboy hat and Tom Kaye sold him the ticket, he'd have been caught.

I would have to be in Mitchell's position as pointed out. I watch people a lot, always have. still makes it harder when you don't know why you would be looking at someone and then asked an hour later. who was behind you or two people back at the store or at the gas station?

Flyjack believes more in the money exchange than the money in the pocket....one is more plausible than the other..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5489 on: April 12, 2020, 10:28:08 AM »
I've known welders for years (decades) and never heard any complaints about there eye's. I weld, but not very good. lung cancer is a danger. I've lost two friends that were welders..I have heard plenty of stories of particles getting in the eye..I personally have had "welders eye" twice. it's similar to snow blindness..hurts like hell...feels like sand is in the eye lids..

"arc eye" is the same as welders eye..it happens when you look directly into the flash unprotected..
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