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Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case  (Read 1673854 times)

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5385 on: April 05, 2020, 03:33:03 PM »
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I haven't seen a reference to two wires..I believe he states if contact is made..one wire is coming out of the briefcase..that's why I believe he might of been monitoring the second wire...

Give me five more hours and I will go find it!  My work never ends!  :offtopicman: 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5386 on: April 05, 2020, 03:39:31 PM »
I recall going over this a while back...see what you can find..all I've seen was one wire coming out....I'll check also
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5387 on: April 05, 2020, 03:43:42 PM »
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I recall going over this a while back...see what you can find..all I've seen was one wire coming out....I'll check also

Its in Flo's testimony:

Stewrdess Schaffner 11/24:
Schaffner passed the note to Mucklow who called front. Schaffner went and sat by the man who opened the brief case and showed her a bomb. He showed her a wire INSIDE the case and he said ‘touching this wire would detonate the bomb’!
Cooper cracked open his briefcase long enough for her to glimpse eight red cylinders[19] ("four on top of four") attached to wires coated with red insulation, and a large cylindrical battery
The stunned stewardess did as she was told. Opening a cheap attaché case, Cooper showed her a glimpse of a mass of wires and red colored sticks and demanded that she write down what he told her. Soon, she was walking a new note to the captain of the plane that demanded four parachutes and $200,000 in twenty-dollar bills. 
Hancock stated that the note the hijacker handed to Schaffner stated the hijacker had a bomb, in a briefcase he was carrying, and thathe wanted $200,000 dollars and absolutely no trickery or interference or he would explode the bomb he said he was carrying


I point is: there is no evidence that I know of that confirms FJ's claim there was a deadman switch. And even if there was Cooper obviously deactivated the switch when doing other things . . .

There is just nothing confirming a deadman switch.  Its just another FJ idea and claim. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5388 on: April 05, 2020, 03:46:51 PM »
Schaffner again...one wire

she said there was one small wire (singular) leading from the dynamite which Cooper was holding in his hand and the bare part of the wire to a contact could detonate the bomb..
 

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« Reply #5389 on: April 05, 2020, 03:50:44 PM »
Unless he used the metal frame somehow as a conductor, I'm not sure it's possible to do...I'm going to try and see if I can do this using a light bulb for the dynamite..
 

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« Reply #5390 on: April 05, 2020, 03:52:00 PM »
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Schaffner again...one wire

she said there was one small wire (singular) leading from the dynamite which Cooper was holding in his hand and the bare part of the wire to a contact could detonate the bomb..

Exactly. 

My feel is if there had been a deadman switch Cooper would have made that explicit in his warning no funny stuff - something like: dont fuck with me all I have to do is let my finger off this switch and we are all gone'! That is a deadman switch.

A deadman switch would have been a VERY STRONG warning to everyone not to interfere!  But, Cooper gave no such instruction.
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« Reply #5391 on: April 05, 2020, 03:53:42 PM »
You need circuitry for that configuration..I doubt he hid that. he could of easily tied a switch to the ignition and ran it out of the case or a push button...very simple vs a dead mans switch..
 

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« Reply #5392 on: April 05, 2020, 03:55:55 PM »
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You need circuitry for that configuration..I doubt he hid that. he could of easily tied a switch to the ignition and ran it out of the case or a push button...very simple vs a dead mans switch..

He would have announced a deadman switch ........ a very powerful deterrent to everyone not to interfere or ...... poof!
 

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« Reply #5393 on: April 05, 2020, 03:58:00 PM »
Not sure why we need the Jame Bond angle...the word dynamite alone is enough. he made it very apparent he would set it off if needed. no delay required, just game over. the wire coming out was enough to scare them into not storming the plane..
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« Reply #5394 on: April 05, 2020, 04:01:24 PM »
when only a gun is known to be on a suspect they will try and rush him hoping not to lose any hostages...having a bomb changes all of that...
 

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« Reply #5395 on: April 05, 2020, 04:04:05 PM »
McCoy was aware of that too..he threw a wrench into things with the grenade pin..that stopped them.
 

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« Reply #5396 on: April 05, 2020, 04:05:59 PM »
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Not sure why we need the Jame Bond angle...the word dynamite alone is enough. he made it very apparent he would set it off if needed. no delay required, just game over. the wire coming out was enough to scare them into not storming the plane..

I totally agree! Plus a DM switch requires energy and concentration, focus, and if anything goes wrong now its a jihad the the bomber is as dead as others - that is not Cooper personality profile! I dont see Cooper as a suicide or a jihadist. I think he wants money and to prove a point given his grudge. His use of the phrase "but not your airlines" has me intrigued. That is pure ideolect! Something specific to Cooper's background, history that defines him vs other people including the crew! I wish he had expanded a bit on that.   What does he mean by "not your airlines" .... and why "airlines" plural when speaking of NWO! ?  There is personal history in his remark. 
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« Reply #5397 on: April 05, 2020, 04:09:00 PM »
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McCoy was aware of that too..he threw a wrench into things with the grenade pin..that stopped them.

agree - plus the lines between extortion vs terrorism get blurred in these matters. FJ's model does not hold up to actual facts/data.
 

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« Reply #5398 on: April 05, 2020, 04:12:22 PM »
You never really know someone's personality..hundred's go to bridges and cliffs ready to end it all only to back down..Cooper could of been at some sort of breaking point. he might of blown up the plane if challenged. I'm not sure you could really call it suicidal vs temporary insanity..people do stupid things when stuck in a corner..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5399 on: April 05, 2020, 04:15:11 PM »
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You never really know someone's personality..hundred's go to bridges and cliffs ready to end it all only to back down..Cooper could of been at some sort of breaking point. he might of blown up the plane if challenged. I'm not sure you could really call it suicidal vs temporary insanity..people do stupid things when stuck in a corner..

Except for one thing Shutter - time. This hijacking was complex and consumed a lot of time ... personalities tend to even out into a consistent pattern ... like a long standoff in a bank robbery.  Carr could speak to that, I am sure! How personalities even out over a long protracted period time under stress . . .