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I really soaked things up at the conference, had an open mind with everyone’s theories and insights. Here is my big take away and I’m going against Bruce (The Mayor) here respectfully and going to say the evidence points more too cooper fitting the profile of an engineer then MAC-V-Sog or special forces. Cooper wanted to show he was smarter then everybody else, he got off on that. It explains why he wanted to take off with stairs down and then argue it a bit, why he would point out where the oxygen bottles were, why he requested 15 degree flap setting and another big thing is it was reported by Lauren Peterson that cooper gave specific instructions on how to fill up the fuel tanks for this flight config. I asked Gavin captain Scott’s daughters significant other at the conference why do you think he gave specific fueling instructions and he said if he did that it was because he wanted to show he knew what he was doin and it worked because Loren stated in his interview with the WSHS that the mechanics and such working for nwo were impressed by that. He wanted to show off his smarts and or make sure these guys fueled it right, something a know it all would do. That’s typical mentality of engineers. A MVS/special forces guy would of not felt the need be so meticulous and go into such extra technicals details, if he was a commando/special ops/mvs he would of just wanted to get the job done, yes special forces or mvs would of hand the precise planning but this is a next level of detail cooper had and when you look at the tie particles as well it wreaks of an engineer. Not to mention bill Mitchell’s description of geeky looking guy. I’ve met some beginners and boy do those guy look geeky, especially to me being younger in comparison like Bill was...anyway just my perspective that I’ve come to form as I continue to examine NORJACK with an open mind from all angles.

Nicky, you do not have an open mind.  You have a closed mind and an obvious bias against engineers. 

The 727 had a single point refueling system (which was located under the wing) and Cooper didn't give any instructions related to the refueling except to get the job done.  Cooper correctly knew that the airliner could take off with the aft stairs down and unlocked, but the flight crew didn't know that.  Cooper also knew the other things about the 727 performance capability, but he didn't know how to lower the aft stairs. 

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Cooper was on an ego trip.  Instead, he seemed intent on jumping shortly after take off and near Seattle and his actions support that.

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I really soaked things up at the conference, had an open mind with everyone’s theories and insights. Here is my big take away and I’m going against Bruce (The Mayor) here respectfully and going to say the evidence points more too cooper fitting the profile of an engineer then MAC-V-Sog or special forces. Cooper wanted to show he was smarter then everybody else, he got off on that. It explains why he wanted to take off with stairs down and then argue it a bit, why he would point out where the oxygen bottles were, why he requested 15 degree flap setting and another big thing is it was reported by Lauren Peterson that cooper gave specific instructions on how to fill up the fuel tanks for this flight config. I asked Gavin captain Scott’s daughters significant other at the conference why do you think he gave specific fueling instructions and he said if he did that it was because he wanted to show he knew what he was doin and it worked because Loren stated in his interview with the WSHS that the mechanics and such working for nwo were impressed by that. He wanted to show off his smarts and or make sure these guys fueled it right, something a know it all would do. That’s typical mentality of engineers. A MVS/special forces guy would of not felt the need be so meticulous and go into such extra technicals details, if he was a commando/special ops/mvs he would of just wanted to get the job done, yes special forces or mvs would of hand the precise planning but this is a next level of detail cooper had and when you look at the tie particles as well it wreaks of an engineer. Not to mention bill Mitchell’s description of geeky looking guy. I’ve met some beginners and boy do those guy look geeky, especially to me being younger in comparison like Bill was...anyway just my perspective that I’ve come to form as I continue to examine NORJACK with an open mind from all angles.

Nicky, you do not have an open mind.  You have a closed mind and an obvious bias against engineers. 

The 727 had a single point refueling system (which was located under the wing) and Cooper didn't give any instructions related to the refueling except to get the job done.  Cooper correctly knew that the airliner could take off with the aft stairs down and unlocked, but the flight crew didn't know that.  Cooper also knew the other things about the 727 performance capability, but he didn't know how to lower the aft stairs. 

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Cooper was on an ego trip.  Instead, he seemed intent on jumping shortly after take off and near Seattle and his actions support that.

Single point refueling doesn't give the fuel truck operator any balancing options as far as I know. The 727 flight engineer controls tank to tank fuel transfers. Later versions of the L 1011 had an ingenious auto-transfer fuel system that maintained optimal CG trim at all times.

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Mark brought up something really pertinent with his interview with the cooper vortex and at the conference. In towsaws book he says cooper found and examined the packing cards...mark said the only person that would know and or even care to look at packing cards was a skydiver. There hard to find on the rig... Military jumpers didn’t care about packing cards and since they didn’t wouldn’t even know where they were. This is something only a skydiver was interested in and was keen on. Mark says tosaw wouldn’t make anything up and I believe him. How would he even know about packing cards to make it up? This tells me cooper was A: a rec skydiver or B: went to skydivers in doing his homework and due diligence for norjack and they told him to check the packing card and showed him where it was located. This leads me back to my backyard...the town I’ve resided in for the past 11 years. Lake Elsinore, California. Where mark said during the conference was known in the skydiving circles for recruitment from the cia. The fact that a man matching coopers description, smoking Raleigh’s and was asking questions on how to jump out of a jet gives credence to this. I believe to my core cooper was that guy 3 months prior at Elsinore gathering intel. Too big of a coincidence. The name was redacted on the fbi file but I was able to find out who made the report and it was the guy running the DZ at the time by the name of Lyle Cameron. Strangely enough Lyle Cameron was one of the last people jack ruby called before murdering lee Harvey Oswalt. He died in a plane crash in the early 90’s in Honduras where the cia was known to operate. I tracked down his son who said he believed his dad worked for the government and knew the exact same thing about ruby calling his old man, he told me quote what was ruby doing calling my old man. Cameron was a skydiving pioneer on the west coast, ruby was on the east coast on a totally different circle/world... what’s there connection. Anyway he told me he heard that exact same story about the guy in Elsinore not from his dad directly but one of his skydiving buddies. I just repeated the fbi report and he said I heard that same story verbatim. He added one thing though the guys at Elsinore said he was a geeky looking guy. I immediately had flash backs to a Bill Mitchell interview where he used the exact same terminology to describe cooper “Geeky.”