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georger

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #510 on: December 14, 2014, 11:36:36 PM »
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As far as I know nobody has located a seating chart applicable to Flight 305.  But...

Over an unknown period of time, NWA used devices at ticket counters that did show the seating arrangements for their flights.  This was a good sized, foldup page with stickers in the positions of the seats.  When they were assigning seats, they would peel off the sticker for the seat they were assigning and would put the sticker on the passenger's ticket.

One of these devices that matched flight 305 was sold a while back on e-bay, so I was able to get a copy of the marginally legible pic.

Good find!!
 

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« Reply #511 on: December 14, 2014, 11:37:59 PM »
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Interesting, I've never seen those....

Here is another good one on Ebay

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If you dont have it here is one Snow found ... I will have to post both pieces in 2 posts ...
Here is Effective Aug 1 1971 ...

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« Reply #512 on: December 14, 2014, 11:54:24 PM »
Here is part -2 ........... Flt #305 named.
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« Reply #513 on: December 15, 2014, 12:07:10 AM »
Here is Effective Oct31, 1971 - PDX to Seattle.



 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #514 on: December 15, 2014, 12:55:20 AM »
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Because the video centers around this fashionable stewardess leaving from Seattle, it parallels Tina so well and that's why I posted it. It was funny and in the spirit of the case. Since I posted that, it has made me think about how easy it is to romanticize this case and Cooper. Tina, early twenties, idealistic, goes to work and in the space of half a day, Cooper threatens her and the crew's lives and I think it's important to remember this. The flight crew, Flo's testimony all point to how authentically fearful they were to the situation. Consider, it's 40 years + and Tina is still hunted, emailed, telephoned, etc. In a way she is a very good example of being a victim of this crime.

Before we all get weepy over Tina's circumstances Morry, it appears you haven't read my work on Tina, especially the part where I volunteered to Tina and her family to work as their publicist GRATIS. I'd be happy to handle all the nuisance phone calls, emails, and knocks-on-the-door.

In exchange, I only ask for one interview, where they tell me everything.

The Mucklows turned me down. Apparently, they are more comfortable with the current situation.

By the way, do you know how many phone calls, emails, k-o-t-d Tina receives?  Any idea on the exact amount of hunting she has to endure? I'm curious.

Also, do you think Tina has any social responsibility to help us solve the case and help her find the guy who threatened to kill her?

Just askin'.
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« Reply #515 on: December 15, 2014, 02:27:53 AM »
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Because the video centers around this fashionable stewardess leaving from Seattle, it parallels Tina so well and that's why I posted it. It was funny and in the spirit of the case. Since I posted that, it has made me think about how easy it is to romanticize this case and Cooper. Tina, early twenties, idealistic, goes to work and in the space of half a day, Cooper threatens her and the crew's lives and I think it's important to remember this. The flight crew, Flo's testimony all point to how authentically fearful they were to the situation. Consider, it's 40 years + and Tina is still hunted, emailed, telephoned, etc. In a way she is a very good example of being a victim of this crime.

Before we all get weepy over Tina's circumstances Morry, it appears you haven't read my work on Tina, especially the part where I volunteered to Tina and her family to work as their publicist GRATIS. I'd be happy to handle all the nuisance phone calls, emails, and knocks-on-the-door.

In exchange, I only ask for one interview, where they tell me everything.

The Mucklows turned me down. Apparently, they are more comfortable with the current situation.

By the way, do you know how many phone calls, emails, k-o-t-d Tina receives?  Any idea on the exact amount of hunting she has to endure? I'm curious.

Also, do you think Tina has any social responsibility to help us solve the case and help her find the guy who threatened to kill her?

Just askin'.

Your last question is loaded, to the hilt. Who is this 'us' you keep talking about? What 'social responsibility'? Don't you think she fulfilled her social responsibility a long time ago? Find the guy? How are you going to 'find the guy' - what guy!?  You are making assumptions you are not entitled to make. And you will continue to make assumptions you aren't entitled to make - that's your nature.

Maybe if you were survivor of something you would understand?
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« Reply #516 on: December 15, 2014, 03:01:43 AM »
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Because the video centers around this fashionable stewardess leaving from Seattle, it parallels Tina so well and that's why I posted it. It was funny and in the spirit of the case. Since I posted that, it has made me think about how easy it is to romanticize this case and Cooper. Tina, early twenties, idealistic, goes to work and in the space of half a day, Cooper threatens her and the crew's lives and I think it's important to remember this. The flight crew, Flo's testimony all point to how authentically fearful they were to the situation. Consider, it's 40 years + and Tina is still hunted, emailed, telephoned, etc. In a way she is a very good example of being a victim of this crime.

Before we all get weepy over Tina's circumstances Morry, it appears you haven't read my work on Tina, especially the part where I volunteered to Tina and her family to work as their publicist GRATIS. I'd be happy to handle all the nuisance phone calls, emails, and knocks-on-the-door.

In exchange, I only ask for one interview, where they tell me everything.

Oo-la-la monsieur, how is that GRATIS?
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The Mucklows turned me down. Apparently, they are more comfortable with the current situation.

Or not comfortable with your situation.
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By the way, do you know how many phone calls, emails, k-o-t-d Tina receives?  Any idea on the exact amount of hunting she has to endure? I'm curious.


No.
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Also, do you think Tina has any social responsibility to help us solve the case and help her find the guy who threatened to kill her?

and definatly no. In fact, super no. Tina is a victim and therefor is not responsible, (socially?) for any of the skyjacking.

Just askin'.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #517 on: December 15, 2014, 03:05:43 AM »
Tina may or may not have a social obligation to assist law enforcement in their investigation (under the constitution, her help is voluntary). She definitely has no obligation to any of the amateur sleuths of the Cooper case, i.e. us.
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« Reply #518 on: December 15, 2014, 03:12:55 AM »
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Tina may or may not have a social obligation to assist law enforcement in their investigation (though under the constitution, her help is voluntary). She definitely has no obligation to any of the amateur sleuths of the Cooper case, i.e. us.

Exactly. Tina has already helped law enforcement and perhaps, as much as we would like her to, has no more information to give. Tina has zero obligation to put "us" out of our misery and every right to leave her past behind her and live life as she sees fit as an individual.
 

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« Reply #519 on: December 15, 2014, 04:50:20 PM »
Sigh.
 

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« Reply #520 on: December 15, 2014, 06:07:17 PM »
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Sigh.

We all want to hear from her as much as you.
 

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« Reply #521 on: December 16, 2014, 03:10:00 AM »
More veteran help please.
When Tina describes Cooper as having a cord around his waste or (whomever?) states that he put the parachute on like he knew what he was doing, is there ever any mention to his overcoat?
 

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« Reply #522 on: December 16, 2014, 04:35:20 AM »
I've wondered that myself.  So far, I haven't heard anything about the overcoat.
 

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« Reply #523 on: December 16, 2014, 12:32:41 PM »
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More veteran help please.
When Tina describes Cooper as having a cord around his waste or (whomever?) states that he put the parachute on like he knew what he was doing, is there ever any mention to his overcoat?

Presumably, he kept the overcoat on and put the parachute on over it.  This would not have been a big deal.

While no mention is made of Cooper taking the overcoat off, he would have to have been really stupid to do so.  He was aware that there was rain in the Seattle/Portland area, that the temperatures were near freezing on the ground, and that he had no other protection from the weather.
 

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« Reply #524 on: December 16, 2014, 04:25:54 PM »
I keep wondering how the leg straps went over the ends of the coat...

Just sayin'.