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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5070 on: November 09, 2019, 12:55:47 PM »
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It's the small panel that is next to the normal air stair release box/cover/access door. it also has writing on it.

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Yes, that's correct. I believe the placard was likely affixed directly above this panel.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5071 on: November 09, 2019, 12:58:21 PM »
Why does it say to open access door? it should relate to the NWO safety card and explain to pull the panel off to access the handle?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5072 on: November 09, 2019, 01:08:15 PM »
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Why does it say to open access door? it should relate to the NWO safety card and explain to pull the panel off to access the handle?

I have no issue with the wording. It is a door whether it's on a hinge or not.

Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5073 on: November 09, 2019, 03:38:27 PM »
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Why does it say to open access door? it should relate to the NWO safety card and explain to pull the panel off to access the handle?

I have no issue with the wording. It is a door whether it's on a hinge or not.

Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel.

Sure looks that way! One thing is 100% clear to me:  FJ has vested interests he promotes to the last drop of other people's blood. His claims are provisional pending the death of all competitors. That's not research. That's Cooper forum tactics. The placard is just one example - he wont give up until forced to.  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5074 on: November 09, 2019, 04:00:14 PM »
You have to wonder why the FBI said the decal could of come off any 727? this was after they had the blueprints showing them where the decal was placed? it is a valid argument....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5075 on: November 09, 2019, 04:02:19 PM »
Another newspaper clearly stated that Boeing verified the decal came from the stairwell?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5076 on: November 09, 2019, 04:38:24 PM »
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You have to wonder why the FBI said the decal could of come off any 727? this was after they had the blueprints showing them where the decal was placed? it is a valid argument....

It appears that the individual who wrote the 302--or memo--was relaying information that he/she heard from another agent, or, the agent was told the information directly by NWO but simply misunderstood the notion of the placard being posted beyond the bulkhead door.

In fact, I have seen this type of misunderstanding several times in the FBI files. In particular, I'm reminded of comments about the dummy reserve being sewn shut when in reality it was the canopy and not the canister that was sewn.

Also, there are critical comments in the 302s stating that Mucklow saw Cooper trying to fit the ransom bag into a reserve, eventually giving up because it wouldn't fit. Well, this is ridiculous because if you look at the the ransom bag next to a reserve it is painfully obvious that the ransom bag is significantly larger than the reserve.

In fact, what Mucklow witnessed was DBC placing some of the ransom into the reserve because the ransom bag was too full to cinch at the top with the shroud lines.

Moreover, considering there was only one reserve missing when the jet landed in Reno--the dummy reserve--it stands to reason that this is the reserve that Mucklow saw Cooper putting a portion of the ransom in to for the trip down to Mother Earth.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5077 on: November 09, 2019, 04:41:44 PM »
i believe she stated he was trying to put the money into the parachute and not the container. that's the open chute...
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« Reply #5078 on: November 09, 2019, 04:46:32 PM »
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i believe she stated he was trying to put the money into the parachute and not the container. that's the open chute...

That is correct. I should have been more clear.

DBC opened the dummy reserve and wrapped a portion of the ransom in the canopy and rolled it back into the canister. Remember, the canister is merely a flat canvas sheet when not packed.

This is why the FBI sent out an informational notification to hunters in the area to be on the lookout for money wrapped in a parachute.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5079 on: November 09, 2019, 04:47:36 PM »
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You have to wonder why the FBI said the decal could of come off any 727? this was after they had the blueprints showing them where the decal was placed? it is a valid argument....

It appears that the individual who wrote the 302--or memo--was relaying information that he/she heard from another agent, or, the agent was told the information directly by NWO but simply misunderstood the notion of the placard being posted beyond the bulkhead door.

In fact, I have seen this type of misunderstanding several times in the FBI files. In particular, I'm reminded of comments about the dummy reserve being sewn shut when in reality it was the canopy and not the canister that was sewn.

Also, there are critical comments in the 302s stating that Mucklow saw Cooper trying to fit the ransom bag into a reserve, eventually giving up because it wouldn't fit. Well, this is ridiculous because if you look at the the ransom bag next to a reserve it is painfully obvious that the ransom bag is significantly larger than the reserve.

In fact, what Mucklow witnessed was DBC placing some of the ransom into the reserve because the ransom bag was too full to cinch at the top with the shroud lines.

Moreover, considering there was only one reserve missing when the jet landed in Reno--the dummy reserve--it stands to reason that this is the reserve that Mucklow saw Cooper putting a portion of the ransom in to for the trip down to Mother Earth.


Cooper could not put any money into the reserve chute unless he removed the canopy and there is no evidence that he did that.  Those reserve chutes were packed harder than a rock to begin with.  Cooper removed about 100 feet of shroud lines from the reserve left on the plane.  The money bag was relatively small and the missing shroud lines could wrap around it at least 10 times plus tying it to himself. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5080 on: November 09, 2019, 05:00:40 PM »
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Cooper could not put any money into the reserve chute unless he removed the canopy and there is no evidence that he did that.  Those reserve chutes were packed harder than a rock to begin with.  Cooper removed about 100 feet of shroud lines from the reserve left on the plane.  The money bag was relatively small and the missing shroud lines could wrap around it at least 10 times plus tying it to himself.

Remember, the dummy reserve had half of its canopy panels removed. The remaining panels were sewn together.

Therefore, the dummy reserve was noticeably "soft" to the touch according to Cossey.

In fact, there was room suitable to roll-up several packets of twenties and repack.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5081 on: November 09, 2019, 05:04:58 PM »
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Cooper could not put any money into the reserve chute unless he removed the canopy and there is no evidence that he did that.  Those reserve chutes were packed harder than a rock to begin with.  Cooper removed about 100 feet of shroud lines from the reserve left on the plane.  The money bag was relatively small and the missing shroud lines could wrap around it at least 10 times plus tying it to himself.

Remember, the dummy reserve had half of its canopy panels removed. The remaining panels were sewn together.

Therefore, the dummy reserve was noticeably "soft" to the touch according to Cossey.

In fact, there was room suitable to roll-up several packets of twenties and repack.

If Cooper opened that pack, he should have realized that he had a unless reserve (if he had any parachute experience at all) and that he might as well have left the remainder of the canopy on the aircraft.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5082 on: November 09, 2019, 05:11:24 PM »
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Cooper could not put any money into the reserve chute unless he removed the canopy and there is no evidence that he did that.  Those reserve chutes were packed harder than a rock to begin with.  Cooper removed about 100 feet of shroud lines from the reserve left on the plane.  The money bag was relatively small and the missing shroud lines could wrap around it at least 10 times plus tying it to himself.

Remember, the dummy reserve had half of its canopy panels removed. The remaining panels were sewn together.

Therefore, the dummy reserve was noticeably "soft" to the touch according to Cossey.

In fact, there was room suitable to roll-up several packets of twenties and repack.

If Cooper opened that pack, he should have realized that he had a unless reserve (if he had any parachute experience at all) and that he might as well have left the remainder of the canopy on the aircraft.

The reason he did not do this is because the dummy reserve minus the canopy merely becomes a canvas sheet wrapped around packets of twenties. The packets could easily fly out of the edges of the canister at this point.

The only way to keep everything packed and secure in the canister was to unroll the canopy, roll some packets into the canopy, and repack the canopy with cash into the canister in order to maintain the structural integrity of the rig.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5083 on: November 09, 2019, 05:14:33 PM »
The only chute opened was pink. records state the dummy had a white canopy in the container. no record of two open chutes...

Cooper would have to open another chute and close it for it to even be plausible..
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« Reply #5084 on: November 09, 2019, 05:21:55 PM »
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The only chute opened was pink. records state the dummy had a white canopy in the container. no record of two open chutes...

Tina does reference seeing a pink canopy. Clearly this is the canopy associated with the cannibalized reserve.

There is nothing from Tina stating that Cooper only opened one reserve. In fact, she attests that during this time she was busy and only saw pieces of Cooper's activity and wasn't paying attention.

It is my theory that the snippet she witnessed of Cooper "attempting to put the ransom into a reserve" is related to the dummy reserve and not the cannibalized reserve.
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