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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #480 on: December 12, 2014, 05:57:25 PM »
While it's probably true that Blevins will probably never understand the flaws in his theory, I believe it is still important to challenge him. People will believe anything. It would not be hard to convince someone that was not real familiar with the Cooper case that Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. I found DZ after reading Skyjack. I'm sure some people find it after reading Blevins book. Those people, that have only seen the story from Blevins side, need to see the fallacies of his case regarding KC. A fine example of this is the house for cash scenario. Blevins would have never corrected that on his own. He didn't even take the YouTube video with false information down until I brought it up recently. He would love to be able to post up things regarding KC that went unchallenged. So, when I see him trying to create facts, such as Tina would not have been able to give an accurate description, I have to say something. You are correct though. He will never be convinced of anything other than Kennys guilt. Even the DNA not matching would not be enough. He'd quickly come up with a reason why Kenny was still the guy.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #481 on: December 12, 2014, 06:17:20 PM »
Much of the time I am writing for the folks reading these posts - not the posters, but the hundreds of innocents who come along. I don't want their subconscious memories to only contain the spittle of the inflamed.

By the way Georger, I do some of my best work on my knees, or my ass, which ever way I fit around the toilet bowl best so that I can get to the shut-off valve. I think much better when water isn't spritzin' in my face or hitting the ceiling. I hate it when it hits the ceiling and then starts dripping down.....ug. Everything gets wet - what a mess.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #482 on: December 12, 2014, 06:20:44 PM »
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While it's probably true that Blevins will probably never understand the flaws in his theory, I believe it is still important to challenge him. People will believe anything. It would not be hard to convince someone that was not real familiar with the Cooper case that Kenny Christiansen was Cooper. I found DZ after reading Skyjack. I'm sure some people find it after reading Blevins book. Those people, that have only seen the story from Blevins side, need to see the fallacies of his case regarding KC. A fine example of this is the house for cash scenario. Blevins would have never corrected that on his own. He didn't even take the YouTube video with false information down until I brought it up recently. He would love to be able to post up things regarding KC that went unchallenged. So, when I see him trying to create facts, such as Tina would not have been able to give an accurate description, I have to say something. You are correct though. He will never be convinced of anything other than Kennys guilt. Even the DNA not matching would not be enough. He'd quickly come up with a reason why Kenny was still the guy.

Blevins clearly does understand the flaws. He spends 99.9% of his time attacking the veracity of the people who question his statements and talking about vague issues like honesty, truth, hate, people's fears, etc. vs. any time on his actual statements and what he claims is evidence. Then he leaps further by attacking education, educated people, forum members personally, he tells the world people are Untrustworthy over and over again ... and he turns around and says "I never said that" !

To hear Blevins say it, he says everything and nothing all at the same time.

The whole thing is superfluous. But it's not going to stop.
 

 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #483 on: December 12, 2014, 06:39:10 PM »
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I go back to another analogy....The DB Cooper case is like solving a jigsaw puzzle.  Most of us don't know what the assembled puzzle looks like, so we keep fitting little pieces together trying to figure out what it will look like at the end.

Others, like Jo and Robert, think they have the puzzle box with the picture on the front.  They are sure they know what the completed puzzle will look like.  Therefore, any pieces that they find have to fit the final picture as they believe it to be.

You can't reason with them, give them facts or point out details that don't match their preconceived notion.  The know in their heart or hearts that their suspect is DB Cooper so all of the pieces just have to fit.  How is it possible they do no?  So someone comes up with a 50 year old memory of a minor thing, if it fits it must be true.  If it doesn't it must be false.

ParrotheadVol just did a long and reasoned post trying to convince Robert the flaws in his reason.  But, it's just a waste of his time.  You can never convince a true believer.

Puzzle is an apt analogy.

On the basic issues in the Cooper case I can't honestly say we have changed anything, in all this time. We have examined all kinds of specific issues from countless angles, but have changed nothing in the official record. The only person(s) who have added anything actually NEW, is Tom Kaye and it could be decades (or never) before any of that connects and changes the official record of the case, or never.

Have you noticed that neither Blevins or Weber has 'argued' with Tom's photos of particles or the money! ??? Blevins response was to claim he had the Palmer Report too!  :)  That was telling... makes Blevins part of the Science Team by association he fosters.  :-X 

If it was easy I guess it would have already been done.  :(   



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #484 on: December 12, 2014, 08:56:43 PM »
Here is the story of the shooting I witnessed. I was already incorrect about the date. I said the early 90's, but it was actually 1990.

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« Reply #485 on: December 13, 2014, 01:20:44 AM »
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Have you noticed that neither Blevins or Weber has 'argued' with Tom's photos of particles or the money! ??? Blevins response was to claim he had the Palmer Report too!  :)  That was telling... makes Blevins part of the Science Team by association he fosters.  :-X 

And, then when confronted with the fact that the Palmer report was never released publicly and he couldn't possible have one, he responded that he shredded it, or told Gayla to shred it.

When there is no response from the FBI on his report and the DNA sample, where does he go?  Carr has already said (and I'm paraphrasing because I don't have his exact quote) they DNA sample they have is partial and generates a lot of false positives, so they won't test against it unless there is some other evidence pointing to that suspect.

What if he actually gets someone to make a movie.  If they do, these movies are always "based on true facts".  The names will be changed, characters will be created and events will be invented to make the story flow better.  It will prove nothing.  So, where does Robert go from there?
 

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« Reply #486 on: December 13, 2014, 03:07:58 AM »
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Have you noticed that neither Blevins or Weber has 'argued' with Tom's photos of particles or the money! ??? Blevins response was to claim he had the Palmer Report too!  :)  That was telling... makes Blevins part of the Science Team by association he fosters.  :-X 
 
And, then when confronted with the fact that the Palmer report was never released publicly and he couldn't possible have one, he responded that he shredded it, or told Gayla to shred it.

When there is no response from the FBI on his report and the DNA sample, where does he go?  Carr has already said (and I'm paraphrasing because I don't have his exact quote) they DNA sample they have is partial and generates a lot of false positives, so they won't test against it unless there is some other evidence pointing to that suspect.

What if he actually gets someone to make a movie.  If they do, these movies are always "based on true facts".  The names will be changed, characters will be created and events will be invented to make the story flow better.  It will prove nothing.  So, where does Robert go from there?

Robert has consumed five long years and he can claim 500+ accomplishments; just as he claims 500+ articles at Newsvine. If he gets a movie, he gets a movie. Or rather Lyle finally gets the movie he wanted at the start. Blevins is now openly linking his work on Kenny to Porteous and Gray with kudos. Like Einstein credited Mileva Maric and wrote her a check for a building ... to house their children! Will the odd parents of Christiansen have a reunion and will Gray get a check for his part? I think not.  8)

Likewise, the Palmer family will not get a check from Robert any time soon, either!

BTW, so far as I know, the Palmer report is an FBI document; not a Palmer document and never was a Palmer document. It's a report written by the FBI; not written by Palmer. Palmer may never have even seen the FBI's 'Palmer report'. The Palmer family never had it to send anyone, they say, in any event. Blevins' claim is probable just one more act of retribution ... against his enemies which are legion and everywhere in Cooperland, he says.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #487 on: December 13, 2014, 03:39:43 AM »
Does this bother anyone else besides me?
"5:47pm SEADD. The flt is on the grnd and they arp making preparations to hook up the ueling truck The highjacker is in the lav nd and think wil stay there or a while" Then next transmission is 6:21pm with demands.
Seems weird to me that upon landing the flight crew feels Cooper would stay in the lavatory for some time. Why? ... Also seems weird that Cooper (even if he was crapping his pants) would close himself in a restrictive space like the washroom. If he had to do his business you think it would've been a new world's record for in and out. The entire crew could've ran off that plane. No pilots and a suspected fake bomb is a bad scenario. FBI could've boarded. Passengers could've bailed. Cooper seemed to know that being on the ground was the most dangerous part of the entire plan, why put yourself in such a restrictive, out of control location?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #488 on: December 13, 2014, 05:07:13 PM »
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Does this bother anyone else besides me?
"5:47pm SEADD. The flt is on the grnd and they arp making preparations to hook up the ueling truck The highjacker is in the lav nd and think wil stay there or a while" Then next transmission is 6:21pm with demands.
Seems weird to me that upon landing the flight crew feels Cooper would stay in the lavatory for some time. Why? ... Also seems weird that Cooper (even if he was crapping his pants) would close himself in a restrictive space like the washroom. If he had to do his business you think it would've been a new world's record for in and out. The entire crew could've ran off that plane. No pilots and a suspected fake bomb is a bad scenario. FBI could've boarded. Passengers could've bailed. Cooper seemed to know that being on the ground was the most dangerous part of the entire plan, why put yourself in such a restrictive, out of control location?

Doesn't bother me.  He probably told Tina that's where they would be.  Nothing said about him having the door shut.  No doubt would have still had "the bomb."  Tina had the comm unit right at the lavatory door.  He would still be able to exert the same control as he enjoyed in seat 18E.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #489 on: December 13, 2014, 09:45:52 PM »
Noted. Anybody else? .... I guess I was wondering if Cooper had been doing anything else in the washroom but I suppose he had time to deal with some things after take-off, (Tina up front) and bailing out.

Would someone please point me the full transcript of "DVD: "Hijacked! D.B. Cooper and Northwest Flight #305," produced by the NWA History Centre, Inc. in 2012. Includes interview with Bill Rataczak"

Mine cuts off at this little exciting part:
"Seattle, and we’re curious now, what is going to happen when those stairs come down. Now the stairs in a 727... were dual purpose they were for boarding passengers but they were also, and Boeing put this out in a bulletin, when you, major airline, whoever buys our airplane 727, be sure when you park it at the gate that it has the stairs down fully over center and locked....because, and Northwest did that without even asking because we knew what the potential problem was..."
 

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« Reply #490 on: December 13, 2014, 09:55:39 PM »
The site I found the DVD on was ebay....I was looking at Northwest material. check there  8)

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« Reply #491 on: December 13, 2014, 10:03:12 PM »
The DVD is expensive, but it's pretty good. Something about Rataczak's talk that might interest people is to hear how hard Rataczak pushed for a coastal airport, to get Cooper over water.
 

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« Reply #492 on: December 13, 2014, 10:04:48 PM »
I think he wanted Cooper off the plane more than anyone.....
 

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« Reply #493 on: December 13, 2014, 10:08:30 PM »
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The site I found the DVD on was ebay....I was looking at Northwest material. check there  8)

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"Hey! Hey Rataczak! Look down to your left! It's me, DB Cooper! I'm right here!" ... hahaha
Oh man, like $32.00! but I guess with that 14 day money back guarantee I could just copy it and get a refund. Better not. Damn it lousy morals, thanks for nothing.
 

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« Reply #494 on: December 13, 2014, 10:10:40 PM »
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The site I found the DVD on was ebay....I was looking at Northwest material. check there  8)

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"Hey! Hey Rataczak! Look down to your left! It's me, DB Cooper! I'm right here!" ... hahaha
Oh man, like $32.00! but I guess with that 14 day money back guarantee I could just copy it and get a refund. Better not. Damn it lousy morals, thanks for nothing.

That could get you the death penalty today..... ;D