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He doesn't even seem concerned about leaving evidence behind on the plane!

Interesting, Georger.  I would have thought the opposite.  He insisted on getting the note back.  He took his briefcase, his small sack and the extra chute.  The only thing he left was his tie and I always wondered if he took it off while he was trying to attach the money to himself.

Other than the tie was there other evidence he wasn't concerned about taking with him?

The note 'has' his finger prints. That nails him. He must get that back if he can. Im surprised he even let her have it to take to the front. But they aren't going to argue with him giving it back!

I think he left the tie on purpose. No further need for it, and nobody has claimed they pulled a print off that clip?
Just skin cells off the tie.

For a number of reasons I still think you have to take Flo's comment ' he looked Latin' seriously. (Was it he looked Latin, or he acted Latin, or both) ?  Flo looks Latin ? Was Flo's reaction an empathy subliminal based on her own background and recognition patterns she has? We know Tina doesn;t have a Latin background and she the novice on that flight - Flo had a much broader experience with people than Tina, by comparison.

If Cooper was a tactically trained person, perhaps with foreign ties, I can understand why the FBI would be so reluctant to talk about this or release actual documents. If Cooper was Cuban or had ties to Cuba, that hijacking could go straight to Castro!

I think Flo sensed a foreign connection of some kind.

Cooper made one important tactical choice, right off the bat! He was attracted to Flo to begin with, he made his initial contacts with her, but then he switched his attentions to Tina once he found out Flo was not fully compliant!

He sensed an affinity of some kind with Flo at the start (partly based on her proximity to him) but then discovered her resistive nature and switched his focus to Tina, the more compliant and less worldly@! Later he rejected Flo and literally commanded he wanted Tina to be the one to stay with him. He had enough social savvy to know who would be compliant and who would not. That was an important socially tactical move ... for all concerned, based squarely on Cooper's social skills and experience.
 
     

 

I think that's a deadly accurate interpretation. Cooper's at the back of the aircraft, against a wall where no one can sneak up on you. The farthest position away from the crew, away from the passengers. He's there to stay away from anyone rushing him, getting the case/bomb, as he has no where to go in side a plane, he has the greatest time to react, threaten, whatever. Instinctively he wants the attendant most compliant, less likely to spook everyone, calm to be the go-between and physically the less likely to grab at the bomb and be the easiest to beat up if it comes to that.

The sunglasses used to bug me, people always thinking it's so nobody would recognize him but who wouldn't notice the only dude on the plane wearing wrap around shades. I started to shift my thinking on the glasses (disguise) from outside to inside to inside to outside. I think Cooper felt comforted by the sunglasses. He could stare, shift his eyes, notice passengers actions, constantly scan without anyone seeing his him. You know how on Halloween timid what's-his-name turns into a killer outgoing drunken howling wolf? I think the sunglasses are Cooper's emotional mask.

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Flo looks Latin ? Was Flo's reaction an empathy subliminal based on her own background and recognition patterns she has?
 
 

When you said that my instant reaction was forget it.

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Florence's mother was born in Palompon, Leyte, Philippines. Florence is not Latin.
I will pm you my source.

Then you said that and I was instantly like "what!?!"
The Phillipines, total spanish colony, every Phillipino is still a Renato, Frederico, Patricia ...  lots of Spanish names. A Phillipina household would recognize someone of Latin decent.

That's correct. It was a Spanish colony for years.

More importantly, it's Flo's cultural background that matters here. Her sensitivity to non-American mannerisms, even physical stances the way people hold themselves and use their body language, it's an attitudinal thing that leaks through. It's subjective but very real. (Like picking the only American out of a large crowd at a market in Istambul, and the guy turns out to be your father you haven't seen in 20 years!).

Even if Flo's background is Asian vs Spanish it is still a foreign cultural exposure one uses in negotiating socially, for the rest of one's life. That makes Flo a different "detector" than Tina, based on cultural backgrounds. That is my point. (All of us have and use social detection programs were acquired as children, culturally).

     

it appears the Christiansen saga is growing. it's starting to sound like Marla's story. he is claiming a 12 year old witnessed the creation of the bomb. more super memory surfacing. he claims people don't know how to investigate? would the police, or the FBI provide people with all there known evidence? he always dumps everything evidence wise right in there laps.

what ever she claims to have seen was for seconds. how was she able to remember this moment in time? that's similar to Jo remembering a trash throwing incident 40 years later. and seemingly in great detail?

Blevins likes to quickly shoot down Robert99 and his theory of the flight path, but fails to note things said about Christiansen.


"No matter how much someone wants to put DB Cooper's height at 5'8" will never change the fact he was reported to be 6'. You can certainly say it's so but you have to have articulable fact to support the dismissal of the witnesses credibility. But if you discredit the witness on one piece of her statement you may have to discredit all, you can't have it both ways."

This will be considered "Trash Talk" by Mr. Blevins.

Trash talk is all it is because it's total nonsense, again.

Blevins says: 'the 12 year old saw something', the something shall remain a mystery until Blevins reveals it.
But 'the something', Blevins sayz, was "an act of genius on Kenny's part". A clever way to disguise "a bomb" which presumably does not look like a bomb ... or a boxcar locomotive, or a camel in heat, either ! Then Blevins explains how he "saw it" (what Kenny was doing and intended), which coincidentally is another act of "genius" this time on Blevins' part. In other words it takes a genius to know and top a genius, all conveyed through the eyes of a 12 year old now how old? 

Then Blevins adds his usual signature card plat de résistance saithe the Prophet, The Right Reverend Blevins:

Frankly, some of you can't be trusted. This is also another thing I warned Geestman's family about.
I needn't have bothered. I found out when I interviewed them that some of them lurk at Dropzone once in a while. They are more than fully informed about Cooperland.

This weekend, I will provide a representative from a certain film company all files and un-edited information we have on Kenny Christiansen and company. After that, we will provide an updated report on Christiansen (containing basically the same things) to the Seattle FBI, along with Lyle Christiansen's DNA profile, so they can compare it to the profile they have from the tie.

I told you I would give it to you straight. The truth on Kenny is the only thing that matters to me. And I think we may have our man, after all. Smile.

(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Dec 10, 2014, 1:13 AM)

These episodes are sounding more and more like Adolph Hitler speeches every day. Who will he condemn and proclamate about next?

Hello Muddah.
Hello Fadduh.
Here I am at
Camp Grenada!
 

The very guy who screamed for five years at the top of his lung that eye witness accounts can't be trusted has now come up with this - the eye witness account of a twelve year old!

the only witness that matters in the description of Cooper's height would be Tina. she stated she had to look up at Cooper, not eye to eye! it's a hurdle he can't get over no matter what the witnesses say, or claim!

Tina Mucklow  5' 8"
Kenneth Christiansen  5' 8"

Game over....

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Robert now is claiming it was Mitchell who claimed the hijacker was no more than 5'9".  I don't believe that was Mitchell who said that.  In fact, I don't remember it being someone other than "one of the witnesses".  Does anyone remember where that quote came from?

I don't think he seen Cooper standing up. I'll look at the WSHS interview....I'll give him the 5' 9" if he can accept Mitchell already stating Kenny was not Cooper!

Funny this has come up while we were discussing the bomb on another thread here? 

If Blevins and Weber get their way, Cooper will be a duck ... if they need it!

There were multiple witnesses who gave testimony on Cooper's relative height.

What we are discussing here is Blevinisism and Weberism .... NOT COOPER HEIGHT! 

Why would anyone be bogged down by that FOR FIVE HORRIFIC YEARS!. Blevins must be right. We are bound by fear and loathing and hatred. Our brains have rotted!

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Margie Geestman bailed off to with all that money she got from the State of Washington's Fish and Game Dept

Apparently you can't sell a house for a fair price from the Fish & Game Dept. without telling them were you are going with there money? Mr. Blevins has shown many times how privacy means nothing to him, except when it involves him! how has it become the Fish & Games money?

In the right hands, anything can become (and is) anything! It only depends on what they want.

Fortunately, idiots and clowns are a dead giveaway! They want to control the whole conversation.

Facts, do not mean anything to these folks. These people are not about facts. These people are about control and they will employ any means to get that. That is the whole history of the Cooper thread since Nov 24, 1971!

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it appears the Christiansen saga is growing. it's starting to sound like Marla's story. he is claiming a 12 year old witnessed the creation of the bomb. more super memory surfacing. he claims people don't know how to investigate? would the police, or the FBI provide people with all there known evidence? he always dumps everything evidence wise right in there laps.

what ever she claims to have seen was for seconds. how was she able to remember this moment in time? that's similar to Jo remembering a trash throwing incident 40 years later. and seemingly in great detail?

Blevins likes to quickly shoot down Robert99 and his theory of the flight path, but fails to note things said about Christiansen.


"No matter how much someone wants to put DB Cooper's height at 5'8" will never change the fact he was reported to be 6'. You can certainly say it's so but you have to have articulable fact to support the dismissal of the witnesses credibility. But if you discredit the witness on one piece of her statement you may have to discredit all, you can't have it both ways."

This will be considered "Trash Talk" by Mr. Blevins.

Robert now is claiming it was Mitchell who claimed the hijacker was no more than 5'9".  I don't believe that was Mitchell who said that.  In fact, I don't remember it being someone other than "one of the witnesses".  Does anyone remember where that quote came from?

'Not more than 5'9"' stuff may come from the passenger Robert Gregory. His testimony in the FBI files is an outlier - russet jacket, marcelled hair, 5-8, etc. - and is being touted by GG, for reasons I can only speculate upon. The FBI files that GG cites also place Gregory sitting "in the same row as the skyjacker."

Why GG accepts this obvious clerical error is mystifying (or not.)