Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case (Read 1874133 times)

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #4290 on:** November 22, 2018, 02:56:32 PM »

Oh, okay. I remember him talking about a suspect in Fruit Valley, WA, which is in the Couve area.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #4291 on:** November 22, 2018, 02:57:28 PM »

Happy Thanksgiving all you Back Easters. For the rest of y'all, maybe I'll see you in Portland, eh?

haggarknew · « **Reply #4292 on:** November 22, 2018, 03:04:35 PM »

A friend of mine by the name of Hager told me that the students sometimes packed the reserve training chutes. He lived in the area from around 1960 until around 1990. He had skydiving friends that told him this. Sorry I won't be attending the conference. I really wish I could. Please keep us informed. I actually live in northwest Ohio

snowmman · « **Reply #4293 on:** November 22, 2018, 03:56:08 PM »

Your friend Hager jumped at Issaquah Skyport in the early 60s?. Or Hager had friends who skydived at Issaquah Skyport in the early 60s.
How did this conversation about training reserves happen? Seems an odd topic. (packing training reserves)

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A friend of mine by the name of Hager told me that the students sometimes packed the reserve training chutes. He lived in the area from around 1960 until around 1990. He had skydiving friends that told him this. Sorry I won't be attending the conference. I really wish I could. Please keep us informed. I actually live in northwest Ohio

haggarknew · « **Reply #4294 on:** November 22, 2018, 06:19:21 PM »

Hager never jumped. He had friends that skydived at various locations in the area. I think Hager and I were discussing the possibility of D.B. Cooper smuggling something onboard thru one of the reserve chutes.

snowmman · « **Reply #4295 on:** November 23, 2018, 03:44:00 PM »

I'm not a boasting man, but I was unsure if the image of this letter (sent to 4 papers) had been posted here before.

EU has claimed the note Cooper wrote, was written on typewriter paper, because Sheridan knew how to type.

This note was typewritten also. It says nothing about the training reserve, which is very suspicious.

I posted extensively on DZ.com as the literary background of the "I'm not a boasting man" quote ..and how that relates to the future burial at Tena Bar....but then, that will be in the documentary, so no need to repeat.

(update: fixed attachment. sorry)

not included, but FBI memo on this letter notes the postmark

THE SEATTLE TIMES, SEATTLE, HAS TURNED OVER TO THE SEATTLE OFFICE A LETTER RECEIVED BY THE NEWSPAPER TODAY ADDRESSED TO THE MANAGING EDITOR OF THE SEATTLE TIMES, BEARING THE. POST MARK "U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. WA NINE EIGHT ZERO" WITH THE DATE DECEMBER ELEVEN, SEVENTY-ONE. POSTMARK INDICATES LETTER WAS MAILED IN THE GREATER SEATTLE AREA, BUT OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SEATTLE ITSELF.

snowmman · « **Reply #4296 on:** November 23, 2018, 05:55:02 PM »

The Washington Post evidently got a carbon copy of the original letter (assume any other copies newspapers got were carbon copy also?)
This FBI memo says they got a carbon copy of the letter from the Washington Post.

Interesting that the writer, probably male, was comfortable with a typewriter.
The previous post 3rd attach shows how they wanted the FBI lab to check whether it could have come from govt. They said it was similar to what they used for airtel (paper I suppose)

snowmman · « **Reply #4297 on:** November 23, 2018, 06:03:14 PM »

From that last FBI memo...interesting that the 717171684* is unknown as to reason.

They seemed to be trying to get prints from the various copies of the letter...unclear if they were ultimately successful or not.

The initials "CWH" and the date "12/14/71" on the lower right corners on the back of both the envelop and letter were placed there by WFO agent.

The significance of the number "717171684*", appearing next to the copy count in the lower left corner on the face of the letter, remains unknown"

snowmman · « **Reply #4298 on:** November 24, 2018, 01:32:58 PM »

Still musing about this (which has been discussed to death)

I was just musing about all the crazy FBI memos detailing the microfiche covering the serial numbers of the money pool that the Cooper $200k came from, and the way start/stop numbers of unused bundles were documented, for removing from that list, to get the final list of bills sent to Cooper.

That is, the microfiche covered way more money than what was delivered to Cooper, and by providing start/stop numbers and saying there were 98 bills between the start/stop numbers, it reinforced that all the bundles were fixed size: 100 bills, strapped by bank bands

The story Ckret provided, of bundles being assembled on the fly and microfiched on the fly before going to Cooper, is ridiculous, because if they were microfiched on the fly, there would be no reason for the microfiche to contain serial numbers not given to Cooper.

The only possible way for Ckret's made-up story to make sense, was if they opened all the 100 bill bundles that were going to Cooper, and randomly rebundled them with rubber bands.

But we know from the Start/Stop numbers of unused bills, that the bundles (strapped) were already pretty random...just from looking at the Start/Stop of the bills not given to Cooper, which were random. We can assume the bills given to Cooper had similar randomness in their Start/Stop and intermediate bills. That's a reasonable assumption.

So why would they rebundle them with rubber bands in random amounts?

Cooper didn't ask for that.

Now maybe they would have torn off the paper straps for some reason, and wrapped in rubber bands. But that's just part of the made-up story by Ckret...it doesn't have any supporting data in the fbi memos.

I'm still amazed that people believe Ckret was passing accurate information, when he just made up a story. His interview of a bank employee around the same time provided no supporting information for his story. He just made it up.

The whole Ckret saga amazes me. He was just a gatekeeper on FBI memos, and he acted like his opinion meant something, when it didn't.
Now that we have the actual memos, it's more obvious how Ckret just caused problems, rather than helping solve them.

georger · « **Reply #4299 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:00:24 PM »

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Still musing about this (which has been discussed to death)

I was just musing about all the crazy FBI memos detailing the microfiche covering the serial numbers of the money pool that the Cooper $200k came from, and the way start/stop numbers of unused bundles were documented, for removing from that list, to get the final list of bills sent to Cooper.

That is, the microfiche covered way more money than what was delivered to Cooper, and by providing start/stop numbers and saying there were 98 bills between the start/stop numbers, it reinforced that all the bundles were fixed size: 100 bills, strapped by bank bands

The story Ckret provided, of bundles being assembled on the fly and microfiched on the fly before going to Cooper, is ridiculous, because if they were microfiched on the fly, there would be no reason for the microfiche to contain serial numbers not given to Cooper.

The only possible way for Ckret's made-up story to make sense, was if they opened all the 100 bill bundles that were going to Cooper, and randomly rebundled them with rubber bands.

But we know from the Start/Stop numbers of unused bills, that the bundles (strapped) were already pretty random...just from looking at the Start/Stop of the bills not given to Cooper, which were random. We can assume the bills given to Cooper had similar randomness in their Start/Stop and intermediate bills. That's a reasonable assumption.

So why would they rebundle them with rubber bands in random amounts?

Cooper didn't ask for that.

Now maybe they would have torn off the paper straps for some reason, and wrapped in rubber bands. But that's just part of the made-up story by Ckret...it doesn't have any supporting data in the fbi memos.

I'm still amazed that people believe Ckret was passing accurate information, when he just made up a story. His interview of a bank employee around the same time provided no supporting information for his story. He just made it up.

The whole Ckret saga amazes me. He was just a gatekeeper on FBI memos, and he acted like his opinion meant something, when it didn't.
Now that we have the actual memos, it's more obvious how Ckret just caused problems, rather than helping solve them.

Yepper. Ckret was a made up story. It was actually Galen Cook doing everthang! Doin all the talkin. Yepper. Three bags full. Everthang was wrapped in straps 'bank type straps'. The straps were wrapped in straps.

Happy turkey day. Its half time in the bank type strap bowl. The French team forgot the football! So they are substituting bank type straps for the ball! One helluva a way to run a turkey shoot! Oh well. Its French, what can you say!

snowmman · « **Reply #4300 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:06:38 PM »

There's no posting from Ckret, that is reasonable about this, that you can copy here.

Can joke all you want, there's nothing Ckret said, that's supportable in this area.

georger · « **Reply #4301 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:10:03 PM »

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There's no posting from Ckret, that is reasonable about this, that you can copy here.

Can joke all you want, there's nothing Ckret said, that's supportable in this area.

OK - KO! That knocks Ckret out.

Who will win?

Should the French consult Peter, Paul, and Mary?

Ohio 24. Mich 19. Ckret 0. Ckret was a liar and a sociopath - that's very clear!

snowmman · « **Reply #4302 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:18:28 PM »

I don't think Ckret was a liar and a sociopath.
I just think he was a gatekeeper on FBI memos.
The interpretations he added, sometimes confused things, rather than adding information.

Sometimes he acted like his opinions were somehow better than others. Which, now that we have a larger number of FBI memos, we can see that his opinions, were just opinions...no better or worse than other people's.

His interview of Cossey about parachutes was obviously wrong. Ckret was led astray. There is absolutely no doubt now about the parachutes coming from Hayden, not Cossey.

snowmman · « **Reply #4303 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:25:51 PM »

Another thought on bank bands vs rubber bands

If a large sum of money was kept in storage for a situation like this, it's unlikely they would have stored it wrapped in rubber bands, just because the rubber bands would start to have problems have a year or so. (how long was this money stored?)

So the whole rubber band story, seems to depend on someone testifying that the bundles of strapped money were opened up and rebundled with rubber bands before giving to Cooper.

But no one has been interviewed that said that (Ckret's interviewee didn't say that). And there is no memo that says that.

The only person who said that was Ckret.

snowmman · « **Reply #4304 on:** November 24, 2018, 02:28:02 PM »

And somehow Tom Kaye was convinced by someone that the individual bundles were wrapped in rubber bands only.

Because that's the experiment he did when he threw bundles in the river.

One could ask Tom: "Why did you think that Cooper was given money wrapped in rubber bands? Who told you that?"

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