He doesn't even seem concerned about leaving evidence behind on the plane!

Interesting, Georger.  I would have thought the opposite.  He insisted on getting the note back.  He took his briefcase, his small sack and the extra chute.  The only thing he left was his tie and I always wondered if he took it off while he was trying to attach the money to himself.

Other than the tie was there other evidence he wasn't concerned about taking with him?

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He doesn't even seem concerned about leaving evidence behind on the plane!

Interesting, Georger.  I would have thought the opposite.  He insisted on getting the note back.  He took his briefcase, his small sack and the extra chute.  The only thing he left was his tie and I always wondered if he took it off while he was trying to attach the money to himself.

Other than the tie was there other evidence he wasn't concerned about taking with him?

The note 'has' his finger prints. That nails him. He must get that back if he can. Im surprised he even let her have it to take to the front. But they aren't going to argue with him giving it back!

I think he left the tie on purpose. No further need for it, and nobody has claimed they pulled a print off that clip?
Just skin cells off the tie.

For a number of reasons I still think you have to take Flo's comment ' he looked Latin' seriously. (Was it he looked Latin, or he acted Latin, or both) ?  Flo looks Latin ? Was Flo's reaction an empathy subliminal based on her own background and recognition patterns she has? We know Tina doesn;t have a Latin background and she the novice on that flight - Flo had a much broader experience with people than Tina, by comparison.

If Cooper was a tactically trained person, perhaps with foreign ties, I can understand why the FBI would be so reluctant to talk about this or release actual documents. If Cooper was Cuban or had ties to Cuba, that hijacking could go straight to Castro!

I think Flo sensed a foreign connection of some kind.

Cooper made one important tactical choice, right off the bat! He was attracted to Flo to begin with, he made his initial contacts with her, but then he switched his attentions to Tina once he found out Flo was not fully compliant!

He sensed an affinity of some kind with Flo at the start (partly based on her proximity to him) but then discovered her resistive nature and switched his focus to Tina, the more compliant and less worldly@! Later he rejected Flo and literally commanded he wanted Tina to be the one to stay with him. He had enough social savvy to know who would be compliant and who would not. That was an important socially tactical move ... for all concerned, based squarely on Cooper's social skills and experience.
 
     

   

Sad news.

Bill Mitchell called me today saying that he wants no further contact with me or anyone else in the Cooper discussion. Apparently Jo contacted him this weekend and caused a stink.

As I wrote on the DZ, I've learned a valuable lesson, part of which is that madness must be respected. The winds of the Vortex are powerful, and can be very destructive. Hence, I will be less involved with those of Cooper World with demonstrated instabilities.

Ah, developing a psychological profile of Tina and Flo - yippee!

As usual G, I disagree with much of what you postulate.

Here's what I know of these gals, based mostly upon GG's writings, Galen and the gang (Tosaw, etc) and my own ramblings through the Mucklow clan:

Florence was a state beauty queen from Arkansas who was on probation at the time of the skyjacking for gaining too much weight. Was she worldly-wise?  Hmmmm. More than Tina?

Tina was born in a working class neighborhood north of Philly and her parents divorced in the 1960s. She went to boarding school in Philly, and afterwards went to flight attendant academy in Minneapolis and then worked for NWO. She brought her bible along, and it's not known if it was Catholic or Lutheran, or what. She proselytized a bunch and drove Flo crazy.

Tina and Flo roomed together on layovers. Flo, 23 was one year older than Tina, 22, at the time of the skyjacking. The purser, Alice Hancock, was 24, btw.

Written accounts, especially GG's, indicate that Flo got overwhelmed by Cooper and the notion of getting blown up in the skyjacking. She was rattled and Tina stepped in to control the situation. This scenario is confirmed by Ratajczak, who told me that Tina saved his bacon that day, and that Tina "was one in a million. She was the brains of the outfit."

This is further confirmed by the post-hijacking interviews. Flo is clearly traumatized and anxious. Tina is articulate, comfortable in front of the cameras, and displays a strong concern towards her passengers.

Was DB Cooper Hispanic?  Maybe. I don't discount Flo's speculation or association. An agent of Fidel?  Wow, G - and you call me a conspiratorialist way-out-on-a-limb!

But something happened post-hijacking. Tina has some sort of psychological event that her friend from high school, Dr Eisenhower-Turner, characterizes as a major trauma. Tina goes into the convent until 1991, and then lives as a recluse, essentially, until recently when the Eugene Weekly calls her a "Happening People."

Nevertheless, Tina is clearly an angry women these days, and slammed her front door in my face three times in 2011.  Flo won't return my phone calls or emails, either. She is not even responding to Jo, and thus is one of the few principles in Norjak to escape Mrs. Cooper's clutches.

Who is more socially aware?  Hmmm, they both sound pretty fragile to me.

Who is Danny Boy?  I don't know. But, he ain't the super white-boy, Kenny C, that I know.

Ah, developing a psychological profile of Tina and Flo - yippee!

As usual G, I disagree with much of what you postulate.

Here's what I know of these gals, based mostly upon GG's writings, Galen and the gang (Tosaw, etc) and my own ramblings through the Mucklow clan:

Florence was a state beauty queen from Arkansas who was on probation at the time of the skyjacking for gaining too much weight. Was she worldly-wise?  Hmmmm. More than Tina?

Tina was born in a working class neighborhood north of Philly and her parents divorced in the 1960s. She went to boarding school in Philly, and afterwards went to flight attendant academy in Minneapolis and then worked for NWO. She brought her bible along, and it's not known if it was Catholic or Lutheran, or what. She proselytized a bunch and drove Flo crazy.

Tina and Flo roomed together on layovers. Flo, 23 was one year older than Tina, 22, at the time of the skyjacking. The purser, Alice Hancock, was 24, btw.

Written accounts, especially GG's, indicate that Flo got overwhelmed by Cooper and the notion of getting blown up in the skyjacking. She was rattled and Tina stepped in to control the situation. This scenario is confirmed by Ratajczak, who told me that Tina saved his bacon that day, and that Tina "was one in a million. She was the brains of the outfit."

This is further confirmed by the post-hijacking interviews. Flo is clearly traumatized and anxious. Tina is articulate, comfortable in front of the cameras, and displays a strong concern towards her passengers.

Was DB Cooper Hispanic?  Maybe. I don't discount Flo's speculation or association. An agent of Fidel?  Wow, G - and you call me a conspiratorialist way-out-on-a-limb!

But something happened post-hijacking. Tina has some sort of psychological event that her friend from high school, Dr Eisenhower-Turner, characterizes as a major trauma. Tina goes into the convent until 1991, and then lives as a recluse, essentially, until recently when the Eugene Weekly calls her a "Happening People."

Nevertheless, Tina is clearly an angry women these days, and slammed her front door in my face three times in 2011.  Flo won't return my phone calls or emails, either. She is not even responding to Jo, and thus is one of the few principles in Norjak to escape Mrs. Cooper's clutches.

Who is more socially aware?  Hmmm, they both sound pretty fragile to me.

Who is Danny Boy?  I don't know. But, he ain't the super white-boy, Kenny C, that I know.

Calm down. Your lunatic side is showing.

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Sad news.

Bill Mitchell called me today saying that he wants no further contact with me or anyone else in the Cooper discussion. Apparently Jo contacted him this weekend and caused a stink.

As I wrote on the DZ, I've learned a valuable lesson, part of which is that madness must be respected. The winds of the Vortex are powerful, and can be very destructive. Hence, I will be less involved with those of Cooper World with demonstrated instabilities.

You know how Jo operates, what she would do and why, and yet you hung it all out there for Jo to play with and subvert. Business as usual (decades old!) in Jolandt.

You could complain to Sangiro and have him kick you off Dropzone as further punishment ... which is what Jo and Blevins and Cameron want. Take the licking and go on posting on the Hellzone.

There is nothing literally anyone can say or do. It was obvious what she would do. It's what she has done to people countless times including Larry Carr, and always does to people she thinks pose a threat to her. A threat can be nothing more than stealing attention away from Jo. If you are going to play with Cretans expect a punch in the eye
or worse!

Multiple calls to Mitchell from Weber is all it would take. The price of getting Weber off his back is you! Mitchell will now discover Jo is not playing games. She will continue to call and harass "him" in turn! He will discover that dropping you was only the first price he has to pay for letting Jo in his life. Jo wants Mitchell to name Duane as DB Cooper! Jo has only started making calls to Mitchell!    It has nothing to do with you - you are simply the present occasion of what she is up to and wants.  Mitchell is in for a ride! That may be why he said he wants nothing to do with the Cooper matter at all!

If Jo had her way she would bury us all! She needs others but others are all expendable.

Where have you been all these years ? You know what makes her tick!


 

   
 

I concur. I learned a hard lesson.

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I think Mitchell is a really valid witness. You read his story and he's all like his hair was so black, like too black, in fact so odd that it could've been a toupee, unlikely but dyed?

Moriarty,
This comment struck me as a little odd.  That's only because someone at another site who has latched on this piece of Mitchell's comment because he's trying to fit a square peg (a short bald man) into a round hole (the Cooper description).  Mitchell's line felt like a throwaway comment.  What attracted you to that line?

Look at Mitchell's account of Cooper. For the record, a short bald man as Cooper? ... (making the facts fit the theory, ugh)

"So...he was slight, he had, I mean his hair looked, I mean I thought his hair...I mean I really picked on him ‘cause like I said you’re up in the plane for over three hours and nothing to do. And he had a white shirt, skinny little tie, you know, suit, and he didn’t look like, an executive and not to be getting all that attention.�

". but then and I said I remember...to the FBI I said that, you know, his hair could easily have been dyed or a toupee or something. ‘Cause I mean it looked awful."

I don't for a second believe Cooper had a toupee. Good luck with that theory but you ever seen a guy 45-55 years old who dyes his hair black? It's not black, it's jet black, too black, like UNNATURAL black and that's what I think Mitchell picked up on.

This is further confirmed by the post-hijacking interviews. Flo is clearly traumatized and anxious. Tina is articulate, comfortable in front of the cameras, and displays a strong concern towards her passengers.

I hate to be a dog with a bone but "post-hijacking interviews." Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! Christmas is coming up you guys!