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georger · « **Reply #3705 on:** October 26, 2018, 01:46:57 PM »

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Yttrium.
I'm confused.
Was this pure elemental yttrium.
Or more likely: yttrium oxide,
Or yttrium in a mineral like manzanite.

I'm wondering if we have bad data from Kaye

The info is presented with no control.

Yttium is actually pretty common in the earth's crust, like copper or zinc. More prevalent in moon rocks, interestingly.

Need to know if really pure yttrium. That would seem interesting.

Also,
There were 3 donors for dna..so contamination.

Why do people think there weren't multiple donors for the detected metals?

Be nice to find old tie from 60s and see what's on it for comparison

Since Tom wont discuss anything it's impossible to know what Tom thinks or says!

Since we have no details about the dna partials from the donors, it's impossible to speculate about anything there.

Was Hahneman's dna compared to the Cooper donor results? Flyjack says Hahneman was ignored by the FBI in the Cooper case.

EU · « **Reply #3706 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:08:31 PM »

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Yttrium.
I'm confused.
Was this pure elemental yttrium.
Or more likely: yttrium oxide,
Or yttrium in a mineral like manzanite.

I'm wondering if we have bad data from Kaye

The info is presented with no control.

Yttium is actually pretty common in the earth's crust, like copper or zinc. More prevalent in moon rocks, interestingly.

Need to know if really pure yttrium. That would seem interesting.

Also,
There were 3 donors for dna..so contamination.

Why do people think there weren't multiple donors for the detected metals?

Be nice to find old tie from 60s and see what's on it for comparison

Since Tom wont discuss anything it's impossible to know what Tom thinks or says!

Since we have no details about the dna partials from the donors, it's impossible to speculate about anything there.

Was Hahneman's dna compared to the Cooper donor results? Flyjack says Hahneman was ignored by the FBI in the Cooper case.

Tom told me they did get their hands on a tie from that period from a former Boeing engineer and tested it...they found nothing.

snowmman · « **Reply #3707 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:16:04 PM »

Okay, that's interesting.
Was the 2nd tie subjected to both levels of SEM?
Tom did one with his gear. The recent info is from another lab with more automated equipment. The 2nd lab reported the yttrium

The weird thing is that Tom reported strontium sulfide, a compound.
You would think if the yttrium was a compound it would have been reported as a compound.
But I've only read "yttrium"

Here's a funny thing. Vietnam is big on rare earth minerals now.
here's historical production world-wide
The US entered the market when color tvs exploded demand

Rare Earth Element Production: This chart shows a history of rare earth element production, in metric tons of rare earth oxide equivalent, between 1950 and 2016. It clearly shows the United States' entry into the market in the mid-1960s when color television exploded demand. When China began selling rare earths at very low prices in the late-1980s and early-1990s, mines in the United States were forced to close because they could no longer make a profit. When China cut exports in 2010, rare earth prices skyrocketed. That motivated new production in the United States, Australia, Russia, Thailand, Malaysia, and other countries. In 2016, rare earth production in the United States stopped as the only remaining mine was put on care and maintenance.

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Tom told me they did get their hands on a tie from that period from a former Boeing engineer and tested it...they found nothing.

EU · « **Reply #3708 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:23:01 PM »

I assume the testing on the second tie was of the more basic variety given that the 2017 testing was expensive and required the TV program to make it happen.

snowmman · « **Reply #3709 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:26:54 PM »

one example of my confusion

Wikipedia says this about yttrium:

Yttrium is almost always found in combination with lanthanide elements in rare-earth minerals, and is never found in nature as a free element. 89Y is the only stable isotope, and the only isotope found in the Earth's crust.

georger · « **Reply #3710 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:29:54 PM »

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Yttrium.
I'm confused.
Was this pure elemental yttrium.
Or more likely: yttrium oxide,
Or yttrium in a mineral like manzanite.

I'm wondering if we have bad data from Kaye

The info is presented with no control.

Yttium is actually pretty common in the earth's crust, like copper or zinc. More prevalent in moon rocks, interestingly.

Need to know if really pure yttrium. That would seem interesting.

Also,
There were 3 donors for dna..so contamination.

Why do people think there weren't multiple donors for the detected metals?

Be nice to find old tie from 60s and see what's on it for comparison

Since Tom wont discuss anything it's impossible to know what Tom thinks or says!

Since we have no details about the dna partials from the donors, it's impossible to speculate about anything there.

Was Hahneman's dna compared to the Cooper donor results? Flyjack says Hahneman was ignored by the FBI in the Cooper case.

Tom told me they did get their hands on a tie from that period from a former Boeing engineer and tested it...they found nothing.

that's interesting!

georger · « **Reply #3711 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:37:57 PM »

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one example of my confusion

Wikipedia says this about yttrium:

Yttrium is almost always found in combination with lanthanide elements in rare-earth minerals, and is never found in nature as a free element. 89Y is the only stable isotope, and the only isotope found in the Earth's crust.

'Yttrium is a rare earth metal that never occurs in its pure form in the wild. Even though it is a "rare earth metal", it is 400 times more common than silver on Earth. It also is quite common on the moon. However, most yttrium in the solar system and in between the stars is "star stuff"; created in lower temperature red giant stars.'

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Yttrium is a transitional element - as a metal has found some use alloyed in small amounts with other metals and It is used to increase the strength of aluminium and magnesium alloys. ... Yttrium never occurs in nature as a free element. It is found in almost all rare earth minerals and in uranium ores.

snowmman · « **Reply #3712 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:40:58 PM »

You can buy pure Yttrium (Yttrium-39 ..not an isotope) on Amazon
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99.9% pure!
Note it's the yttrium oxide, or yttrium vanadate (YV04) used for red crt color?
or Yttrium doped with europium, to create phosphors.
Yttrium aluminum garnet, with a hardness of 8.5, is sometimes used as a gemstone (substitute diamond).
(wonder if used for grinding/sanding?)

-Yttrium is relatively stable in air
-Analysis of lunar rock samples obtained during the Apollo missions showed high yttrium contents.
-The oxide, as well as yttrium vanadate (YVO4), is used with europium to make phosphors to create the red color in television tubes. Hundreds of thousands of pounds of yttrium oxide are used this way.
-It is also used to produce yttrium iron garnets, which are very effective microwave filters.
-Yttrium iron garnet is exceptionally efficient as both a transmitter and transducer of acoustic energy. Yttrium aluminum garnet, with a hardness of 8.5, is sometimes used as a gemstone (substitute diamond).
-Yttrium doped with europium is used to produce phosphors, which provide the red color in color television tubes.
-It is also used as a deoxidizer for non-ferrous metals such as vanadium.

Ytterbium Safety / Caution
-Keep out of reach from children!
-Prolong contact to Yttrium may lead to skin irritation.
-Yttrium may be slightly toxic if ingested
-Do not breath in metal dust.
-Metallic Yttrium dust presents a can catch fire and or explode when ignited. keep away from ignition sources.
-When working with Yttrium it is a good idea to always have some type of eye protection, mouth protection and gloves on

FLYJACK · « **Reply #3713 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:43:22 PM »

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I've read through the latest posts on this page. the next time I see "liar or Troll" posted on any of these threads without actual data or reasoning for these terms to be used, that member will no longer be posting here.

Fly & Geroger, it appears both of you guys will never see eye to eye so I suggest you both move on and take a break from the insults that are coming from both sides.

Important people are on this forum and others are viewing the forum from the outside. I doubt they want to constantly read all the drama taking place. they are looking for information about DB Cooper and that's what I want provided here!

Shutter

I have tried to ignore and avoid G. He continues the personal attacks and the constant lies to discredit me..

I WILL NOT sit here and take that shit from that juvenile troll or from anyone. I have never initiated... G. initiates every time, he can't help it.

It is beyond disagreements, he is a sociopath.

G. is disrespecting you and the forum. HE is the problem. It won't end until you deal with him and if I leave he will find somebody else to harass.

Really? He (Bulljax) said the same thing about Jo Weber in 2013 when he told Quade to kick her off of Dropzone.

His dance hasn't changed in five years.

He keeps using the word sociopath! He obviously has been on a campaign from the start going back to his performance in 2013. He has a personal agenda. He never presents evidence of anything - he feels his claims need no proof. That's the origin of his use of the word "sociopath".

He is unable or unwilling to accept anyone asking for "evidence". He claims anyone doing that is a "sociopath" and attacking him personally.

There is nothing I or anyone else can do about a person like that!

If that doesn't define trolling nothing does..

Shutter, it is unfortunate but you have to deal with it somehow.. stop enabling him..

georger · « **Reply #3714 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:44:14 PM »

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You can buy pure Yttrium (Yttrium-39 ..not an isotope) on Amazon
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99.9% pure!
Note it's the yttrium oxide, or yttrium vanadate (YV04) used for red crt color?
or Yttrium doped with europium, to create phosphors.
Yttrium aluminum garnet, with a hardness of 8.5, is sometimes used as a gemstone (substitute diamond).
(wonder if used for grinding/sanding?)

-Yttrium is relatively stable in air
-Analysis of lunar rock samples obtained during the Apollo missions showed high yttrium contents.
-The oxide, as well as yttrium vanadate (YVO4), is used with europium to make phosphors to create the red color in television tubes. Hundreds of thousands of pounds of yttrium oxide are used this way.
-It is also used to produce yttrium iron garnets, which are very effective microwave filters.
-Yttrium iron garnet is exceptionally efficient as both a transmitter and transducer of acoustic energy. Yttrium aluminum garnet, with a hardness of 8.5, is sometimes used as a gemstone (substitute diamond).
-Yttrium doped with europium is used to produce phosphors, which provide the red color in color television tubes.
-It is also used as a deoxidizer for non-ferrous metals such as vanadium.

Ytterbium Safety / Caution
-Keep out of reach from children!
-Prolong contact to Yttrium may lead to skin irritation.
-Yttrium may be slightly toxic if ingested
-Do not breath in metal dust.
-Metallic Yttrium dust presents a can catch fire and or explode when ignited. keep away from ignition sources.
-When working with Yttrium it is a good idea to always have some type of eye protection, mouth protection and gloves on

The key to ytt in association with the the other materials found may be: ' ...has use alloyed in small amounts with other metals and It is used to increase the strength of aluminium and magnesium alloys. ... Yttrium never occurs in nature as a free element. It is found in almost all rare earth minerals and in uranium ores.' ?

georger · « **Reply #3715 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:45:27 PM »

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I've read through the latest posts on this page. the next time I see "liar or Troll" posted on any of these threads without actual data or reasoning for these terms to be used, that member will no longer be posting here.

Fly & Geroger, it appears both of you guys will never see eye to eye so I suggest you both move on and take a break from the insults that are coming from both sides.

Important people are on this forum and others are viewing the forum from the outside. I doubt they want to constantly read all the drama taking place. they are looking for information about DB Cooper and that's what I want provided here!

Shutter

I have tried to ignore and avoid G. He continues the personal attacks and the constant lies to discredit me..

I WILL NOT sit here and take that shit from that juvenile troll or from anyone. I have never initiated... G. initiates every time, he can't help it.

It is beyond disagreements, he is a sociopath.

G. is disrespecting you and the forum. HE is the problem. It won't end until you deal with him and if I leave he will find somebody else to harass.

Really? He (Bulljax) said the same thing about Jo Weber in 2013 when he told Quade to kick her off of Dropzone.

His dance hasn't changed in five years.

He keeps using the word sociopath! He obviously has been on a campaign from the start going back to his performance in 2013. He has a personal agenda. He never presents evidence of anything - he feels his claims need no proof. That's the origin of his use of the word "sociopath".

He is unable or unwilling to accept anyone asking for "evidence". He claims anyone doing that is a "sociopath" and attacking him personally.

There is nothing I or anyone else can do about a person like that!

If that doesn't define trolling nothing does..

Shutter, it is unfortunate but you have to deal with it somehow.. stop enabling him..

WILL YOU PLEASE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE! We are ttrying to have a discussion here.

I could care less about your personal problems ... go have one of your Red Bull energy drinks you advertise.

snowmman · « **Reply #3716 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:46:09 PM »

I was looking to see if yttrium is used in grinding applications

found an 1985 patent by 3M
Abrasive grits formed of ceramic containing oxides of aluminum, and yttrium, method of making and using the same and products made therewith

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in modern days, seems to use to stabilize zirconia oxides in grinding stuff?

the patent mentions that as prior art:
The Y203 is a yttrium oxide

While yttria (Y203) has been included in a co-fused alumina zirconia abrasive, as disclosed in Poon et al, U.S. Pat. No. 4,457,767, there has been no disclosure of yttria or of a yttrium aluminum garnet in a ceramic abrasive material, particularly one made by a sol-gel process.

georger · « **Reply #3717 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:50:38 PM »

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I was looking to see if yttrium is used in grinding applications

found an 1985 patent by 3M
Abrasive grits formed of ceramic containing oxides of aluminum, and yttrium, method of making and using the same and products made therewith

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in modern days, seems to use to stabilize zirconia oxides in grinding stuff?

the patent mentions that as prior art:
The Y203 is a yttrium oxide

While yttria (Y203) has been included in a co-fused alumina zirconia abrasive, as disclosed in Poon et al, U.S. Pat. No. 4,457,767, there has been no disclosure of yttria or of a yttrium aluminum garnet in a ceramic abrasive material, particularly one made by a sol-gel process.

I think the key to this is its association with other elements. It probably does not stand by itself.

snowmman · « **Reply #3718 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:56:21 PM »

Thanks georger..
it's use in alloys (aluminum) is interesting.

I saw references about it being flame sprayed on titanium or other turbine blades for better thermal properties
that might be modern use.

But got me thinking about sailshaws talk of experimenting with flamespraying titanium to improve thermal behavior of leading surfaces of SST stuff back in the day.

I wonder if any of the particles Tom found, represent flame-spraying effects...the various metals smooshed together, for instance

georger · « **Reply #3719 on:** October 26, 2018, 02:59:43 PM »

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Thanks georger..
it's use in alloys (aluminum) is interesting.

I saw references about it being flame sprayed on titanium or other turbine blades for better thermal properties
that might be modern use.

But got me thinking about sailshaws talk of experimenting with flamespraying titanium to improve thermal behavior of leading surfaces of SST stuff back in the day.

I wonder if any of the particles Tom found, represent flame-spraying effects...the various metals smooshed together, for instance

yes, flame spraying process has been brought up before ...

ironically I was just about to ask at what temp is disassociates or loses its bonding ??

maybe its more of a catalyst, or an enabler of bonding vs a constituent in the final bonded product ? Does that question make sense?

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