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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3660 on: October 25, 2018, 02:22:02 PM »
I'm going thru my notes from 2008...posting interesting stuff.

There was a 1997 article about Sheridan that had detail about him jumping in China and repeats some other known details. He mentions that even in 1997 he hadn't finishing writing his book

"And, after all these years, I still haven't finished the book. It's an albatross around my neck"

He was 71 at the time the article was written.

also more detail on the Clark Air Base jumping. He was proud of that night jump record
He's mentioned it a couple of times. I don't remember if it was a formation or just 5 individual jumpers.
Don't remember the altitude either. Not sure I ever found out.

In 1962 he organized the Boeing Company Sky Diving Club and was safety officer at the Issaquah Sky Port in Seattle. In 1965 while teaching at Clark Air Base in the Philippines, Peterson jumped with four members of the Clark Skydiving Club to set a new record for Southeast Asia for the highest delayed freefall at night.


I attached the Santa Rosa Press Democrat 8_14_97 article.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3661 on: October 25, 2018, 02:31:20 PM »
oh.
I notice I saved Sheridan's myspace page from back then. It shows his last login as 1/26/2007
Looks like I saved it maybe 11/7/08

But by that day he had removed the blurb that made me discover him. He had removed the "The FBI thought I was DB Cooper" line (or words to that effect). Attached the pdf of the saved page

I remember thinking it odd that he removed the reference from his myspace page at the time
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3662 on: October 25, 2018, 02:40:53 PM »
In 2008, 377 and I exchanged email with Thom, an australian? jumper who  has some nice web pages and had jumped with the Saigon Sport Parachute Club.

We asked Thom about this paragraph in Sheridan's book. I forget if we were sure their times in Vietnam overlapped. I've talked to Sheridan about some of the people he jumped with there...including one famous Vietnamese. Sheridan's memories are mostly around the people in the book there. There names are true.

377 thought it curiously that Sheridan mentioned 20 jumper loads in the heli, while Thom said 9.

from Sheridan's book:

Peterson was both president and safety officer of the Saigon Sport Parachute Club. They jumped with the Vietnamese airborne at Ap Dong, a tiny oblong island rising out of a sea of rice paddies. It was the best jumping Peterson ever had. "It was like riding an elevator," he explained. "The Sikorsky Helicopter would load up twenty or so jumpers and in a few minutes, we'd be at seven thousand feet ready for a thirty second delay freefall. We'd all jump at once. It was great fun. We were so crazy in those days."

Thom said:

Yes we had only H-34's. We used to bribe our pilots each with a bottle of red or black lable. The club lost all its aircraft during Tet and from what I was told it took a few years for the club to get anything going again.
 
When the chopper flew to Ap Dong DZ and triangle fort it carried a load of jumpers plus there was a convoy that drove out.
 
I've never been able to really find the DZ on a map. It was where the RVN paras trained and not the town on the river though we were near the border and rivers.

I can see the poetic license but an H-34 could only hole 9 jumpers. He may be refering to a different bird?
 
I just don't remember him. Bob Murhpy and Bob Langham plus a guy called "The Farmer" are the ones that stick in my mind.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3663 on: October 25, 2018, 02:53:19 PM »
If Sheridan's comments about the FBI telling him they think he was Cooper are true I consider this important. Half the challenge with this case is attempting to figure out what the FBI knows and thinks.

Sheridan has mentioned multiple times that the FBI told him that they thought he was Cooper...the MySpace page Snow has pointed out, the 2007 article Sheridan penned, the 2016 HC doc, and others.

With this in mind I specifically asked Fryar if it was true that she told him that the FBI thinks he was Cooper. Fryar texted back "A definite suspect because that is why we were sent to find him."

To be sure, I did not expect her to outright confirm the statement if it was true because she is still bound by confidentiality. On the other hand, if it wasn't true I expected her to say as much. Indeed, she has clarified several things for me when I've asked. I took her answer as a cryptic way of confirming that they had in fact told Sheridan that they thought he was Cooper. If this is not hyperbole from the FBI it is a remarkable statement in light of the passage of time and their unwillingness to discuss anything about Sheridan even to this day.

Furthermore, I asked Fryar about the administrative closing of the NORJAK case because I have felt like the FBI believes Sheridan is likely Cooper but that the US Attorney realizes that without the cigarette butts, there is no case. The only way this would change is with new evidence, like the money or parachute. When asked if she aware of the FBI ever closing a case like this before, Fryar responded "No."

Make of it what you will, but it is very intriguing especially when you consider that Larry Carr was silent on Sheridan when his name was mentioned.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3664 on: October 25, 2018, 02:55:36 PM »
Okay, this is for all you fans of the comic book
Remember the Dan Cooper thing has connections to Belgium, due to the author
This made me smile back then

Sheridan's great-grandmother was from Belgium. (Brussels?)
here's the info.

Sheridan's grandfather Sheridan Peterson was born 12/6/1865 in  Oregon, Lucas County, Ohio
The family migration seemed to be from Massachusetts, to Ohio, to California.

Albertine Dubois was born May 1837 in Belgium
Married Barzilla Ames Peterson, Sheridan's great-grandfather.

Sheridan talks of Barzilla sometimes.
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Name: Barzilla (Barzillai) Ames PETERSON
Given Name: Barzilla (Barzillai) Ames
Surname: PETERSON
Sex: M
Birth: 18 NOV 1814 in Duxbury, Plymouth County, Massachusetts
Death: 12 APR 1896 [or 1897] in Sonoma County, California
Burial: APR 1896 [or 1897] Shiloh Cemetery, Sonoma County, California
(note it currently says 1897 at rootsweb. The info was updated in 2013. The info above I had saved in 2008, it was updated in 2007)

Father: Frederick PETERSON b: 25 DEC 1775 in Duxbury, Plymouth County, Massachusetts
Mother: Lydia EAMES b: MAY 1782 in Marshfield, Plymouth County, Massachusetts

Marriage 1 Albertine DUBOIS b: MAY 1837 in Brussels, Belgium
[Brussels detail apparently updated between 2008-2013]
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3665 on: October 25, 2018, 03:04:17 PM »
I was trying to verify all of Pete's wild claims. The Tiananman Square thing with Voice of America is confirmed in a book. I'll find that next.

Here's some verification of his employment while in China..this was searched in 2008 (a 1997 usenet groups posting). Google eventually acquired all the old usenet postings and they are searchable (for people who used the internet during usenet groups days, it should bring up fond memories.


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this is from a search in google groups, which has the old Usenet group postings.

a post from 1997 that seems to confirm where he was teaching in Beijing at the time.

posted in a uk.jobs.offered group by someone with partial email address of 
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named Ming Xi Tang

Full Time ESL teachers are needed immediately in Beijing Caledonian
International Language School. ESL experience is highly desirable.
Attractive packages will be offered for fun-loving and open minded
team players who are proagmatic and able to adapt to adverse
circumastances. Appointments will be made on contracts of one or
two years.
Aplplication with a CV should be sent as soon as possible
to Mr. Edward, C. C. Yang, 8 Barrington House, Southacre Drive
Cambridge CB2 2EH, UK, or alternatively, direct to Mr. Sheridan
Peterson, Director of English studies, Beijing Caledonian International
Language School,
Xisanqi, Haidian District, Beijing, P.R. China 100085
(Tel. +86 10 6292 1840/1841, Fax: +86 10 6292 1837).
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3666 on: October 25, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »
The whole Tiananmen Square thing with Peterson is interesting in it's own right.
Basically, Pessin, working for VOA, interviewed Peterson about what he had seen.
That was broadcast.
It led to Pessin's expulsin from China by the Chinese government.
I don't think Sheridan was thrown out, but wow, so dramatic.
Pessin got some kind of award for this reporting.

You can scroll through the pages of the book in google books here to read the details
It's about Voice of America

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[Pessin overhears Sheridan talking to friends about what he witnessed]

In one of the many neighborhoods surrounding Tiananmen in the early morning of June 4. Pessin approaches the professor a few minutes later, introduces himself and asks if his new acquaintance, Sheridan Peterson, would be willing to repeat the account for VOA. Indeed he would.

June 10, 1989, Central Chinese Radio and the state-run Xinhua News Agency jointly attack VOA's credibility. Pessin telexes the following account to Editor in Chief Jurey:

   FYI, Chinese radio broadcast this morning the text of an alleged letter from a university teacher, as follows:

"It was just something...something they couldn't really believe"

Pessin: The professor and his friends moved on to the bridge at Mu Shu Di, the site of one of the bloodiest confrontations that night. As they approached the bridge, they took cover along the banks of a canal.

Peterson: We could see the soldiers going over the bridge, firing into the people...We couldn't see at that point what they were firing at, but once we got to the bridge, we could climb up the bank. We saw them shooting at the people. It was pretty scary there.

Pessin: When the soldiers had passed, and the shooting had stopped, Professor Peterson and his friends climbed up on the bridge, where they saw a sight they will not soon forget. The professor did not count the boides, but he watched them being piled onto ambulances, and on trucks, and taken away. After a while, all that was left was the carnage. The professor said that one thing that stood out in his mind was the reaction of the people on the Mu Shu Di bridge.

Peterson: People there, they were standing there just expressionless, just like they were zombies, sort of paralyzed, you know, because nobody thought they would shoot into the people. They though they would shoot over their heads. It was just something...something they couldn't really believe.*

*Alan L Hile, Jr., transcript of Alan Pessin's award-winning report, VOA News Branch, June 15, 1989
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3667 on: October 25, 2018, 03:33:00 PM »
Sheridan posted extensively in 2004 in an online japan magazine:
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he posted as eagleeye, but signed with his full name

Says in 2004 he was trying to get his book published for 3 years..so maybe he thought he had a reasonable copy for print in 2001?

Example of his rants about Vietnam (he ranted about all sorts of political things)
He says "I told a child whose village was bombed that I would write his story. He was the sole survivor."
Who knows if that is true.


Vietnam genoicide   
eagleeye Click (Jan 24 2004 - 12:04

I know all too well the atrocities committed by our troops in Vietnam. I saw it first. I was a refugee advisor for US Asistants to International Development in the Mekong Delta during the war and saw village after village hit by indiscriminate artillery fire from Special Forces Camps and military compounds. A shell would slaughter an entire village. These peasants were my responsibility. They looked to me for protection. They were innocent farmers who worked hard in their rice paddies every day in order to survive. Sometimes napalm was dropped on a village. That was a sight to horrible to describe. Sometimes door gunners on helicopters would shoot peasant - men women and children - for sport. I recall when a doorgunner started firing his 50 calibre machine gun at the foot of a women. She held up her baby as a plead of mercy and he shot the infant out of her hands.

I told a child whose village was bombed that I would write his story. He was the sole survivor. I wrote the book but no publisher or literary agent will even look at it. They prefer crap like Tom Clancy where the soldiers and Marines have hearts of gold and love the Vietnamese. That's the kind of crap that the American Public is fed.

They need to read my book before more of the same is not committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. I suppose I am a bit too late for that though. I've been trying to get my book published for over nearly three years. I am a professional writer. I have a degree from the prestigious University of Missouri's School of Journalism and have four years writing for newspapers.
Yours,
Sheridan L. Peterson


Funny here he mentions the Japanese Monga comic books


The Japanese are not complex. They are as simple as the Monga comic book characters that they and only they could read with such gusto. To understand how simple minded they are study the Manga. Study the characters. Those are their role models.
The Japanese are egocentric. When I lived there they were always informing me with great pride: "I am pure Japanese.

Japanese are xenophobic. They have a fear of foreigners or contempt or hate or all three combined.

Egocentric and Xenophobic sums their characters up very well.

Such a monomania is destroying them. It is isolating them from the rest of the world. Each generation becomes more withdrawn. Some teenagers are so withdrawn that they can no longer leave their room and face the world.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3668 on: October 25, 2018, 03:36:41 PM »
In 2003 he commented on a story in Japan Today, talking about the derision he received when he married his Filipina wife. Don't know if it's true or whether Sheridan is overdramatizing.

The Day I married my Filipina wife. we were stoned by a gang of youths and my wife was called a whore. "You like big cock." they yelled.

That's from this comment on the cover story that day

eagleeye  (Aug 9 2003 - 14:59)
Gang rape is as Japanese as sushi and cherry blossoms. It's quite acceptable to drug girls at a party and gang rape them. Thousands are reported however lots more are never mentioned, so the problem is not the rape of a Hooker. That's the cover story. The real story is that the Japanese men want the GI's to go home. I saw this whereever American GI's went. In Vietnam the men got fed up with the GI's screwing their wives and daughters. That's why the Koreans want the GI's to leave. They are fed up with Korean girls running after American GI's. The Day I married my Filipina wife. we were stoned by a gang of youths and my wife was called a whore. "You like big cock." they yelled.
I agree. It's time for the GI's to go home. That goes for Iraq and Afghanistan too. Yankee go home.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3669 on: October 25, 2018, 03:39:27 PM »
Here he posts about his time as a Marine in WWII.
I don't know at all if these details are true. He was a Marine in WWII but don't think he ever shipped out? Don't know.

Jubilant with joy   
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I know it's hard. but try nevertheless. Try to empathize.

Fifty-eight years ago today I was a eighteen year old Marines with the twenty-fifth Marines,Fourth Division. We were preparing to land on the Japanese mainland. I would be in the first wave. Lugging a 73 pound flamethrower, I'd have been a perfect target.

Thus the news of the bombing of Hiroshima was joyous news. I was delirious with joy. It was a last minute repieve. The entire Fourth Division was joyous. We celebrated by firing our weapons into the air.
We were scheduled to land November 1 at Kagoshima, Kyushu. Major General Masakazu Amano was absolutely certain of victory. He had guessed with precision exactly where U.S. forces would land. With an army of two million men backed by a disciplined militant population he'd have annihilated us. He had 2,000 suicide boats, 393 small submarines, 4,800 Kamakazi planes with 2,645 pound warheads with jet engines with a range of 130 miles. I'm sure that Imperial Japan would have won.

Can you empathiza? Can you imagine my joy?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3670 on: October 25, 2018, 03:45:36 PM »
Here in Japan Today, sheridan posts about his daughter Ginger, saying she attempted suicide several times.
Don't know if that's true
It's probably inappropriate to post, in case it has some truth to it, and we should be senstive to Ginger.  But Sheridan posted it, so I dunno. If he was not telling the truth, that sure is weird. He has said elsewhere she's in a mental hospital.

A Whole Different Concept   
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The Japanese are different. To them Suicide is asthetic. It has a certain sad beauty. They love Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet. It does not contain the tragedy that people elsewhere see.To them it is a fitting ending.

I recall my daughter coming home from Japanese middle school in Akita, Japan. It was when a famous pop singer had committed suicide. Because another pop star had rejected her love she had leaped from a building killing herself. She had left a note to her parents saying: "I am sorry to have caused you this pain."

My daughter was shocked. Her classmates thought that the suicide was so beautiful. "How do you feel?" I asked. "Its crazy," she said. I was relieved. However since then she has tried to take her life several times by slashing her wrists, leaping into the San Francisco Bay and taking an over dose of sleeping pills.

In the months following the pop stars suicide young people copied her suicide right down to the identical note to their parent. There must have be hundreds of copy cat suicides. As a Marine on Iwo I witnessed a Banzi attack. The Japanese soldiers were committing suicide enmass. They had no will to live and they were forcing us to aid them in their eagerness to die for an Emperor they imagined to be a God. It is of course environmental. It is not genetic. My daughter is not Japanese. She is a victim to a very violent and bizarre culture.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3671 on: October 25, 2018, 03:53:02 PM »
Switching topics to get away from the heaviness.

Here's a photo taken by Lynn Emrich in 1963 at the Nationals that were at Issaquah that year
It was in the Issaquah Press 8_29_63 page 3

It has a nice shot of the back of the rig the jumper is using. You can see it looks like either Hayden's not-taken rig or even maybe a NB-6. Hard to tell for sure.

Gives a sense of what '63 era rigs looked like
 

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« Reply #3672 on: October 25, 2018, 03:57:26 PM »
From the same spread on the Issaquah Nationals in 63, Issaquah Press 8/29/63 page 3
A picture of Lynn Emrich with a load of jumpers going up in a 1929 Travelair at Issaquah.
Gives you a feel for what a group of jumpers were like back then at Issaquah.

There is a "Rudy Peterson" in the photo, but I"m guessing that's not Sheridan. I don't think he jumped at the Nationals in '63??

updated
Rudy Peterson placed 2nd. another article attached with picture of his wife. So not Sheridan.
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« Reply #3673 on: October 25, 2018, 04:00:07 PM »
Photo of plane I think used at Issaquah in the '60s with some jumpers exiting.
Plane says "Seattle Sky Sports"

Just to give 377 a thrill. I'm sure he'll ID the plane
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3674 on: October 25, 2018, 04:11:06 PM »
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hmm
I guess what you're looking for is Mexican-American with no discernible accent.

I don't think Tina or Schaffner said Mexican-American?

Consensus was white, latin...

Since when is one person, Schafner,  a consensus? Oh! SINCE YOU SAID SO! I GIT IT! I WILL OBEY!  :rofl:

Eins zwei drei vier Ja, ich werde gehorchen.  O0

Only in your loose relationship with reality.

and your EVIDENCE is ! ??   O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

Folks - NOTIFICATION - Flyjack/Bulljax was released from ever showing any evidence for anything he says here. He is our special guest and is not required to show evidence. Worship him.  >:D

Back to name calling,,,  missed your meds again.. little fucking child.

The evidence is in the FBI files, do your own homework.

You have spent a decade and have nothing but a fragile ego, no suspect, no theory, no diatoms, NOTHING. It must be just intolerable that others might solve this...  Your increasing irrelevance can't be overcome by juvenile trolling.

Time to piss or get of the pot, G. or drift further into irrelevance.

complaint filed, 63rd against Flyjack/Bulljax - which Shutter will ignore! But a complaint filed nontheless.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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