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FLYJACK

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3630 on: October 24, 2018, 05:48:23 PM »
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sure, it could be implied they were lowered in flight.
but that fbi memo says it directly

flying with stairs down, and lowering stairs, are two things
yes one may be required for the other, but nice to have confirmation

The evidence strongly suggests Cooper had some aviation experience, IMO, he didn't have to be an Airstairs expert and probably wasn't.. but somebody who knew airplanes well enough to figure it out or learn about it. Tina had to show him how to lower them, that suggests general knowledge but lacking experience.
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« Reply #3631 on: October 24, 2018, 05:48:46 PM »
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That FBI memo I just posted, has the interesting side effect of confirming that Boeing knew the stairs could be easily lowered in flight.

They say so in it.

it was published in 1964.. so not a secret..

18 June 1964 that claims 727 flown "satisfactorily" with Airstairs lowered.

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Flight International is clearly a trade specific publication. That said, it is theoretically possible that some guy who works at the local Safeway store read the publication in 1964, picked out that one sentence, committed it to memory, then acted upon it seven years later. However, it still does not indicate that the airliner didn't have a squat switch or locking mechanism.

Interestingly, this is from 1964, which per usual, dovetails nicely with Sheridan's tenure at Boeing, 1962-1964...also, remember the tie...manufactured 1963 or 1964.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3632 on: October 24, 2018, 05:48:59 PM »
I don't suppose anyone is willing to share snippets of Sheridan's novel that are pertinent to his suspecthood....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3633 on: October 24, 2018, 05:51:33 PM »
I still think it's just as likely Sheridan is a lonely, slightly demented but fun old skydiver that had some bad experiences in Vietnam, and he likes an indignant rant.

It's his book, he has the copyright. I don't think it's right to distribute it outside his wishes, especially while he's alive.

Also, people twist everything into their own agenda. Witness EU.

It tends to poison the well and myths get established, I find.

The right thing, is to get Sheridan to release a new copy, updated if he prefers. Then we can all buy a copy from him on amazon or lulu.
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« Reply #3634 on: October 24, 2018, 06:01:38 PM »
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The director Sheridan refers to is probably Alison of the History Channel, a lovely young woman who undoubtedly caught Sheridan's eye. She liked him a lot but also worried about him, his isolation and his health. She called me after the interview with him and asked if I might be able to look after him, meet with him occasionally and provide some contact and possibly help if he needed it. I agreed and have seen him a few times. I have helped him with free legal representation on heated landlord tenant issues. EU, by the way, did a LOT to help Sheridan deal with another eviction threat when I was out of the country including personally interceding and keeping him housed. Sheridan really is unique. I've never met anyone quite like him.

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I have found Sheridan to be unnecessarily rude, but he can also be surprisingly gracious. It's difficult not to like the man. The life he has led is remarkable to say the least. If he was DB Cooper I certainly don't hold that against him. I'd love to have this matter resolved and get the John Doe indictment vacated so he can live in peace and tell his story without fear.
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FLYJACK

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« Reply #3635 on: October 24, 2018, 06:06:34 PM »
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That FBI memo I just posted, has the interesting side effect of confirming that Boeing knew the stairs could be easily lowered in flight.

They say so in it.

it was published in 1964.. so not a secret..

18 June 1964 that claims 727 flown "satisfactorily" with Airstairs lowered.

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Flight International is clearly a trade specific publication. That said, it is theoretically possible that some guy who works at the local Safeway store read the publication in 1964, picked out that one sentence, committed it to memory, then acted upon it seven years later. However, it still does not indicate that the airliner didn't have a squat switch or locking mechanism.

Interestingly, this is from 1964, which per usual, dovetails nicely with Sheridan's tenure at Boeing, 1962-1964...also, remember the tie...manufactured 1963 or 1964.

Cooper wasn't a Safeway clerk, he was connected to aviation...
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FLYJACK

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3636 on: October 24, 2018, 06:22:14 PM »
Cooper was never described as having a tan by anyone..

Swarthy, Olive, Latin, Mexican, complexion AND CHARACTERISTICS.. like the final Sketch.


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3637 on: October 24, 2018, 06:41:21 PM »
well, a witness also said his hair should be like Nixon, and greased down like a George Raft character, in addition to looking Mexican American. see attached.
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« Reply #3638 on: October 24, 2018, 06:44:39 PM »
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well, a witness also said his hair should be like Nixon, and greased down like a George Raft character, in addition to looking Mexican American. see attached.

yes, he sure did.... Cooper did... curly... marcelled hair... BINGO
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3639 on: October 24, 2018, 06:50:44 PM »
Here's the full 11/29/71 of the passenger who said Mexican-American?

if you read the full interview, it's not clear whether he got a good look at Cooper
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3640 on: October 24, 2018, 06:56:08 PM »
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The Latin Skydivers were genuine OGs. Their club was started in 1961, when jumpers shared the skies with Pterodactyls.

The FBI investigated them, but didn't find a good Cooper suspect.

They are NOT to be confused with the Rodriguez Brothers, a latter day skydiving club where every inductee becomes Mexican, sort of.

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There are chants and responses, that are customary on jumpships. You'd better know them or face ostracism.

If someone shouts HEY ASSHOLE, everybody on the plane must shout WHAT?

If someone shouts (the planes are LOUD)  WHO ARE THE RODRIGUEZ BROTHERS? you must shout back FUCK THE RODRIGUEZ BROTHERS.

That's just way it is.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3641 on: October 24, 2018, 08:08:35 PM »
hmm
I guess what you're looking for is Mexican-American with no discernible accent.

I don't think Tina or Schaffner said Mexican-American?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3642 on: October 24, 2018, 08:13:34 PM »
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hmm
I guess what you're looking for is Mexican-American with no discernible accent.

I don't think Tina or Schaffner said Mexican-American?

Consensus was white, latin... 



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3643 on: October 24, 2018, 09:14:26 PM »
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It's his book, he has the copyright. I don't think it's right to distribute it outside his wishes, especially while he's alive.

I would never ask to violate copyright, I would only want the one or two selections I've heard discussed over the years. Quoting select material for critical purposes is accepted fair use as I understand it. But yes, I would prefer just to buy a copy from Sheridan.
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« Reply #3644 on: October 24, 2018, 11:35:13 PM »
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hmm
I guess what you're looking for is Mexican-American with no discernible accent.

I don't think Tina or Schaffner said Mexican-American?

Consensus was white, latin...

Since when is one person, Schafner,  a consensus? Oh! SINCE YOU SAID SO! I GIT IT! I WILL OBEY!  :rofl:

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