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snowmman · « **Reply #3615 on:** October 24, 2018, 04:27:45 PM »

Sheridan's resume on the Boeing application is the first time I've seen that he wrote poetry in addition to his books and news articles.

Be interesting some day to talk to him about poetry. What kind of poetry did he write in the early '60s...does he still write poetry? etc.

short stories too?

377 · « **Reply #3616 on:** October 24, 2018, 04:43:26 PM »

Sheridan talked about Ginger living in SF, somewhere around Market street as I recall, and sending him a present. He was clearly fond of her and the present would indicate it was mutual.

Sheridan is a VORACIOUS reader. He marks up his books too, many annotations. He is really up to date on what goes on in US and foreign politics. I miss the guy and hope we can bury the hatchet someday. We usually do, but this has been the longest time he has locked me out of his email and texting. I'd like to discuss the Kashoggi murder and other current events with him. He is amazingly sharp. I hesitate to add "for a guy who is 92", because he is just plain sharp.

I asked my wife if she thought he could be DB Cooper, "absolutely" she said, "but we will never know for sure". She wasn't saying he was Cooper, just that he sure could be. She could easily see Sheridan coming up with a brand new approach that took everyone by surprise. She didn't see NORJACK as a truly violent crime. When I protested about the bomb she said "how many so-called "bombs" in domestic robberies are real? 1%?" Criminals know that the cops and banks and hostage teams have to assume all alleged bombs are real and that gives someone with some wires and empty cardboard tubes a lot of leverage and deference. I said the bomb must have terrified the crew but she wasn't buying it. I wish HC had asked Tina and other crew members if they really thought they were going to be blown up.

When I pressed Sheridan about the harm he claimed he would suffer by being a suspect, all he could really point to was an increased risk of eviction.

The mention of Joon is his book shows he was untruthful when he claimed that he never roomed with or even knew Sailshaw. He later admitted rooming at Sail's home and avoided discussion about his earlier inconsistent statements. He vehemently denied ever questioning Sail about any aspect of Boeing aircraft and denied stiffing Sail on rent.

If Sail really thought Sheridan was DBC way back when, why didn't he tip the FBI before they contacted him asking about Sheridan?

One thing Sheridan did say that really struck me and my wife. He said, with considerable visible anguish: Mark, there are two of me". He declined to explain further.

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snowmman · « **Reply #3617 on:** October 24, 2018, 04:55:47 PM »

Found an interesting new FBI memo in the newly released part 31 FOIA from FBI
Kind of shocking to me. Also they claim Boeing said you couldn't take off with airstairs down and shut down that path of the investigation.
memo attached.

Boeing told FBI on July 26, 1972 that it didn't make sense to suspect anyone on the airstairs test team because of what Cooper said.

The FBI stopped investigation of a person as a result. They couldn't locate the person they were looking for, but stopped.
The name is redacted. Who knows who it was.

Boeing's reply will be interesting to 377.

TO: SAC, SEATTLE (164-81) (P)
FROM: SA <redacted>
6/8/73

Re Omaha letter to Minneapolis and Seattle, dated 5/22/73.

All logical investigation to locate <redacted> has been conducted.

On July 26, 1972, <redacted> Boeing Company <redacted> advised that if the hijacker was a member of or had consulted with a member of The Boeing test team, he would have known that the 727 could not have taken off with the air stairs down; nor would have been necessary, since the air stairs can be easily lowered in flight.

In view of the above. no further investigation will be conducted concerning <redacted>

snowmman · « **Reply #3618 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:10:47 PM »

Well, the "two of me" thing is easy.

Vince Grecco and Grant Olson are the two sides of his schizophrenic personality.

Picture me reading the book, alone, for the first time. I was totally confused about the details in the book that matched Sheridan's life, until I realized that both Vince Grecco and Grant Olson were both Sheridan.

So I'm reading this book, and he's clearly saying he's schizophrenic, and including life details like the Bubbleator that make no sense in a Vietnam documentary. You can see my confusion trying to understand. You can imagine how stoked I was when Sailshaw arrived on the scene with the first verification that the Bubbleator detail was real, in Sheridan's history.

Sheridan said this to me about the characters in the book. He said he'd send me an updated version of his book but never did.
I had gone back and forth with him discussing his literary style and themes.
He's talking about 377 as Mark. I think "the director" might be a tv director or something.

Sheridan texted:

I'll send you a copy. It would be sad if you didn't like it. I had to speculate a bit on the flashbacks. They caught on to what I was digging for. Such efforts are not easy. Olson's is I and so is Grecco and my mom. They add a lot of realism. Mark is a detective. I suppose I may have enjoyed the limelight, but that reveals more of Mark than me. I speak with the director occasionally. I feel privileged. My eye are giving out.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #3619 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:14:29 PM »

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Found an interesting new FBI memo in the newly released part 31 FOIA from FBI
Kind of shocking to me. Also they claim Boeing said you couldn't take off with airstairs down and shut down that path of the investigation.
memo attached.

Boeing told FBI on July 26, 1972 that it didn't make sense to suspect anyone on the airstairs test team because of what Cooper said.

The FBI stopped investigation of a person as a result. They couldn't locate the person they were looking for, but stopped.
The name is redacted. Who knows who it was.

Boeing's reply will be interesting to 377.

TO: SAC, SEATTLE (164-81) (P)
FROM: SA <redacted>
6/8/73

Re Omaha letter to Minneapolis and Seattle, dated 5/22/73.

All logical investigation to locate <redacted> has been conducted.

On July 26, 1972, <redacted> Boeing Company <redacted> advised that if the hijacker was a member of or had consulted with a member of The Boeing test team, he would have known that the 727 could not have taken off with the air stairs down; nor would have been necessary, since the air stairs can be easily lowered in flight.

In view of the above. no further investigation will be conducted concerning <redacted>

But Cooper didn't ask for Airstairs down on takeoff. He initially asked for them to be lowered in flight. The Airstairs down on takeoff came up later during the attempt by the crew to get Tina off the plane so they could attempt an escape..

Cooper initially demanding Airstairs down on takeoff is BS.

There is a doc in one of the slightly earlier FBI ones that reveals that were looking into a member of the test team.

snowmman · « **Reply #3620 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »

I thought I was getting close when Sheridan texted this (5/7/18)

I do have a pdf file. It's costing me $9 a month. Rarely use it.

So you can see I'm frustrated that he doesn't send me a new update...I'm just curious.

later adds during discussion about his opthamologist

"I do have a pdf; however hackers are messing with me. I may have either lost it or cancelled. I have the worst trouble with hackers."

So yes, he's great at jerking my chain. Might as well be a woman.

EU · « **Reply #3621 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:22:45 PM »

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But Cooper didn't ask for Airstairs down on takeoff. He initially asked for them to be lowered in flight. The Airstairs down on takeoff came up later during the attempt by the crew to get Tina off the plane so they could attempt an escape..

Cooper initially demanding Airstairs down on takeoff is BS.

There is a doc in one of the slightly earlier FBI ones that reveals that were looking into a member of the test team.

This is not accurate.

1) Cooper initially demanded that the airstairs be down for take-off.

2) After some discussion Cooper relented and stated that they could lower them after taking off.

3) Cooper then changed his mind arguing that he wanted the stairs down before take-off.

4) After more discussions with the crew Cooper once again relented.

snowmman · « **Reply #3622 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:24:39 PM »

that might make sense. If you interspersed the language from the transcript that you're interpreting, it would be easier to think about.

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But Cooper didn't ask for Airstairs down on takeoff. He initially asked for them to be lowered in flight. The Airstairs down on takeoff came up later during the attempt by the crew to get Tina off the plane so they could attempt an escape..

Cooper initially demanding Airstairs down on takeoff is BS.

There is a doc in one of the slightly earlier FBI ones that reveals that were looking into a member of the test team.

This is not accurate.

1) Cooper initially demanded that the airstairs be down for take-off.

2) After some discussion Cooper relented and stated that they could lower them after taking off.

3) Cooper then changed his mind arguing that he wanted the stairs down before take-off.

4) After more discussions with the crew Cooper once again relented.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #3623 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:24:53 PM »

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But Cooper didn't ask for Airstairs down on takeoff. He initially asked for them to be lowered in flight. The Airstairs down on takeoff came up later during the attempt by the crew to get Tina off the plane so they could attempt an escape..

Cooper initially demanding Airstairs down on takeoff is BS.

There is a doc in one of the slightly earlier FBI ones that reveals that were looking into a member of the test team.

This is not accurate.

1) Cooper initially demanded that the airstairs be down for take-off.

2) After some discussion Cooper relented and stated that they could lower them after taking off.

3) Cooper then changed his mind arguing that he wanted the stairs down before take-off.

4) After more discussions with the crew Cooper once again relented.

Nope, that is a misread of the evidence and over-reliance on vague 302's.. (agent summaries)

snowmman · « **Reply #3624 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:28:38 PM »

That FBI memo I just posted, has the interesting side effect of confirming that Boeing knew the stairs could be easily lowered in flight.

They say so in it.

EU · « **Reply #3625 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:37:51 PM »

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That FBI memo I just posted, has the interesting side effect of confirming that Boeing knew the stairs could be easily lowered in flight.

They say so in it.

Now let's take this a step forward:

Cooper had to know this otherwise--as 377 once stated--he'd be entering an aluminum jail cell.

He had to know the jet was stable in flight with the airstairs down. He also had to know there was not a squat switch built into the commercial version of the 727...unless, of course, someone is advocating a "lucky guess" scenario like knowing how to don and use the NB-8.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #3626 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:39:27 PM »

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That FBI memo I just posted, has the interesting side effect of confirming that Boeing knew the stairs could be easily lowered in flight.

They say so in it.

it was published in 1964.. so not a secret..

18 June 1964 that claims 727 flown "satisfactorily" with Airstairs lowered.

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snowmman · « **Reply #3627 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:40:34 PM »

sure, it could be implied they were lowered in flight.
but that fbi memo says it directly

flying with stairs down, and lowering stairs, are two things
yes one may be required for the other, but nice to have confirmation

377 · « **Reply #3628 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:43:32 PM »

The director Sheridan refers to is probably Alison of the History Channel, a lovely young woman who undoubtedly caught Sheridan's eye. She liked him a lot but also worried about him, his isolation and his health. She called me after the interview with him and asked if I might be able to look after him, meet with him occasionally and provide some contact and possibly help if he needed it. I agreed and have seen him a few times. I have helped him with free legal representation on heated landlord tenant issues. EU, by the way, did a LOT to help Sheridan deal with another eviction threat when I was out of the country including personally interceding and keeping him housed. Sheridan really is unique. I've never met anyone quite like him.

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377 · « **Reply #3629 on:** October 24, 2018, 05:47:39 PM »

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sure, it could be implied they were lowered in flight.
but that fbi memo says it directly

flying with stairs down, and lowering stairs, are two things
yes one may be required for the other, but nice to have confirmation

Don Kirlin knows all about the Boeing tests. He is also is an airline pilot and skydiver and holds a 727 type rating. No, he is not Cooper. He obtained FAA approval for the first 727 skydives using the Boeing data to prove that it could be done safely.

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