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50% Cooper lived
14 (22.2%)
75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3450 on: October 21, 2018, 07:29:47 PM »
When did Sheridan tell the FBI that the dummy reserve was daisy-chained?
Did Fryar say that?

Sheridan also said that Cooper took the wrong rig, that the other rig was a skydiver's rig, when it wasn't.

How come you don't use Sheridan's statement on that, to "prove" he was wrong about the back rigs?

You cherrypick like the worst.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3451 on: October 21, 2018, 07:40:38 PM »
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When did Sheridan tell the FBI that the dummy reserve was daisy-chained?
Did Fryar say that?

Sheridan also said that Cooper took the wrong rig, that the other rig was a skydiver's rig, when it wasn't.

How come you don't use Sheridan's statement on that, to "prove" he was wrong about the back rigs?

You cherrypick like the worst.

Come on now. This is almost embarrassing. I expected more of an intelligent, well thought out, argument from someone of your academic stature.

To answer your question: Sheridan told the FBI this when they interviewed him in 2003. He made this statement to Mary Jean Fryar. I have talked with MJF about this comment and she concurs that he needs to explain how he would know this in light of his comment.

Sheridan is prone to red herrings when he believes it covers his tracks. His comment about the sport rig is an example. His comment about taking the dummy reserve is an example. His comment about finding Cooper's body at the base of the Dalles Dam is an example. His comment about $500 being found on Tena Bar is an example. His comment about not really knowing about the airplanes he's jumped from is an example. His comment that he hadn't met Sailshaw is an example...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3452 on: October 21, 2018, 07:42:57 PM »
Snow, given what you know about Sheridan, do you agree with me that he is the most viable candidate?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3453 on: October 21, 2018, 07:45:15 PM »
One of you two will go up against the winner of the Flyjack/Georger bracket in the semis.
 
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« Reply #3454 on: October 21, 2018, 07:48:06 PM »
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One of you two will go up against the winner of the Flyjack/Georger bracket in the semis.

I actually suspect Snow and I are on the same team. Meaning, I think Snow considers Sheridan a strong candidate.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3455 on: October 21, 2018, 08:06:32 PM »
Here's what I think about Sheridan
He could have been a huge source of info about Boeing/jumping in the '60s/jumping in Vietnam etc

But people poisoned the well.

It's kind of sad to know there's an old man that doesn't have any apparent friends from back in the day.
Why can't anyone find anyone who remembers him from Issaquah? or the Boeing Skydivers club

It was quite amazing when Sailshaw found the mentions of him on DZ.com and verified some things that were only speculation at that point. For instance, what I love: working at the Bubbleator.

I think it would be instructive to find Ginger, or Sheridan, the kids from the 2nd marriage to the Filipina, and see what they have to say. Rather than whipping up fantasies in a frenzy.

Just get more info, if it's so obvious that Sheridan's your man.
Find someone who says his nickname was "Dan" back in the day, for instance.

I think the time can be well spent investigating the '63-'64 airstairs test at Boeing and what that was, who was involved, and how it overlapped with the Boeing Skydivers club at the time.

Sheridan claims Sailshaw didn't tell him about airstairs. Believe it when Sheridan says something. Ask him about the '63-'64 727 airstairs test.

Ask him about the blonde he flirted with in fabrication at Boeing, who did fiberglass cutouts, and what that was all about.

There's tons of ways to get more info. People always seem to do the opposite though, shutting things down, rather than opening them up.

And I wonder "Why do that?"
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3456 on: October 21, 2018, 08:08:10 PM »
It was stunning to me that the Bubbleator was in the book.
I think that has more meaning than anything!
 

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« Reply #3457 on: October 21, 2018, 08:11:08 PM »
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It was stunning to me that the Bubbleator was in the book.
I think that has more meaning than anything!
Really? The World's Fair thing? I thought that was put to rest...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3458 on: October 21, 2018, 08:13:27 PM »
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Here's what I think about Sheridan
He could have been a huge source of info about Boeing/jumping in the '60s/jumping in Vietnam etc

But people poisoned the well.

It's kind of sad to know there's an old man that doesn't have any apparent friends from back in the day.
Why can't anyone find anyone who remembers him from Issaquah? or the Boeing Skydivers club

It was quite amazing when Sailshaw found the mentions of him on DZ.com and verified some things that were only speculation at that point. For instance, what I love: working at the Bubbleator.

I think it would be instructive to find Ginger, or Sheridan, the kids from the 2nd marriage to the Filipina, and see what they have to say. Rather than whipping up fantasies in a frenzy.

Just get more info, if it's so obvious that Sheridan's your man.
Find someone who says his nickname was "Dan" back in the day, for instance.

I think the time can be well spent investigating the '63-'64 airstairs test at Boeing and what that was, who was involved, and how it overlapped with the Boeing Skydivers club at the time.

Sheridan claims Sailshaw didn't tell him about airstairs. Believe it when Sheridan says something. Ask him about the '63-'64 727 airstairs test.

Ask him about the blonde he flirted with in fabrication at Boeing, who did fiberglass cutouts, and what that was all about.

There's tons of ways to get more info. People always seem to do the opposite though, shutting things down, rather than opening them up.

And I wonder "Why do that?"

I have talked with Sheridan Jr. Interestingly though, he did not respond to a predetermined call back time and blocked my number.

Sheridan is correct, Sailshaw did not tell him about the airstairs. I know this because the 727 hadn't been produced and flown until after Sheridan had his dust up with Sail.

Also, I determined that the tie left on 305 was manufactured in either 1963 or 1964. Coincidentally the precise time-frame that Sheridan worked at Boeing.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3459 on: October 21, 2018, 08:14:01 PM »
So you're going to say Sheridan sometimes lies and sometimes tells the truth.
And that you have secret methods that decide what is truth and what is lies?

You don't.

You could do better, like by focusing on details that show Sheridan apparently read some of the articles in detail about the Cooper jump.
You could wonder why he would do that?  He definitely read enough to know what they were saying in newspapers.

Ask how he found out so much about what the press said about the Cooper jump..and when? Did he read up after the MJ interview? or before that

I always wondered if he worked in little details into his book to cause suspicion, just because Sheridan might like to do that.

I can't picture what he was like back in the day. I think he was a much more straightforward, serious guy then. His descriptions of Saigon Sport Parachute Club jumps back then is pretty intense. Not a joker kind of guy?

I suspect his cynicism started after he left Vietnam. It'd be interesting to understand if he concurs.



 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3460 on: October 21, 2018, 08:15:20 PM »
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If you talked to Sheridan Jr, what are the details? That's more interesting than anything you've said to date about anything.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3461 on: October 21, 2018, 08:16:14 PM »
What I would like is to see Ginger and Sheridan Jr talk to their dad, before their dad dies.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3462 on: October 21, 2018, 08:16:40 PM »
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So you're going to say Sheridan sometimes lies and sometimes tells the truth.
And that you have secret methods that decide what is truth and what is lies?

You don't.

You could do better, like by focusing on details that show Sheridan apparently read some of the articles in detail about the Cooper jump.
You could wonder why he would do that?  He definitely read enough to know what they were saying in newspapers.

Ask how he found out so much about what the press said about the Cooper jump..and when? Did he read up after the MJ interview? or before that

I always wondered if he worked in little details into his book to cause suspicion, just because Sheridan might like to do that.

I can't picture what he was like back in the day. I think he was a much more straightforward, serious guy then. His descriptions of Saigon Sport Parachute Club jumps back then is pretty intense. Not a joker kind of guy?

I suspect his cynicism started after he left Vietnam. It'd be interesting to understand if he concurs.

That is correct, Sheridan lies when it protects him.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3463 on: October 21, 2018, 08:17:50 PM »
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how did you determine the tie was manufactured in '63 or '64?

No one has claimed to be able to determine date of manufacture. How were you able to do it?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3464 on: October 21, 2018, 08:19:24 PM »
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Here's what I think of you: you're a nutcase. We're not on any same team.

You have no idea when Sheridan lies or just spews nonsense.
You act like he never spews nonsense, when he's always ranting about something.  You cherrypick and exclude all other random nonsense he says.