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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3420 on: October 21, 2018, 04:01:22 PM »
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And while Sheridan talks about it as Vietnam documentary...which parts of it are...it tends to be dominated by the autobiographical tragedies that lead up to being in Vietnam, and various grudges.

And ends with a parachute jump.

Now you would think the parachute jump then leads up to something dramatic, but it doesn't

The book ends with this reference to the two schizophrenic characters that are both actually Sheridan: (Grant Olson and Vince Grecco)

"Do you know Grant Olson?" Huu Bien asked.
"Yes, I know him." Grecco said. "I know him quite well."
"He is an American too." Huu Bien said. "He's a good man. The only one I met.
The rest were bastards"
"Don't be fooled," Vince said "He's the worst"


It's an odd way to end the book. Kind of self-loathing by Sheridan.

"Snow" you should post this stuff in EU's thread on Sheridan, then he can counter your points..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3421 on: October 21, 2018, 04:05:34 PM »
Cooper said it when they were on the runway. Similar scene in Sheridan's book on a Saigon Sport Parachute Club jump (Sheridan's character says it)

They're waiting to take off in a jump plane..the runways are backed up.

"Well, shit, Let's get the show on the road," Vince said, "What's the hold up?"


In the transcripts, the pilot or co-pilot say cooper wants the show on the road. FBI memos also highlight the "show on the road" phrase. Attached snippet from transcripts. Updated with snippet from FBI memo also.

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Oh here's another thought that comes from reading Sheridan
The "do the job" quote from Cooper...that sounded like a silly 1930's gangster movie imitation.

But now I'm wondering if it's a person's reaction to being recently fired, maybe with a feeling of being accused of job incompetence, sort of a claim of being able to do this job..

kind of a inner insecurity about perceived job performance (based on past) playing out in language used.

there's a quote in Sheridan's book about whether someone could "do the job", also.


where did "get the show on the road" originate?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3422 on: October 21, 2018, 04:08:21 PM »
Yeah I could, but i'm not really interested in EU's point of view.
 

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« Reply #3423 on: October 21, 2018, 04:11:07 PM »
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Yeah I could, but i'm not really interested in EU's point of view.

It keeps the forum more organized... there is also another thread for suspects.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3424 on: October 21, 2018, 04:21:04 PM »
Well depends on what you think is evidence?

I suppose you could say there is stuff that flows from suspects and stuff that flows from FBI or related to things about the hijack.

Pretty much everything is "evidence" isn't it? Other than the group pissing contests.

Emrich comments on the idea that he has a suspect. Where would the newspaper article on that belong?
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« Reply #3425 on: October 21, 2018, 04:28:03 PM »
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Well depends on what you think is evidence?

I suppose you could say there is stuff that flows from suspects and stuff that flows from FBI or related to things about the hijack.

Pretty much everything is "evidence" isn't it? Other than the group pissing contests.

Emrich comments on the idea that he has a suspect. Where would the newspaper article on that belong?

I know, things overlap and often threads get convoluted..

just a suggestion if you want pursue a Sheridan discussion..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3426 on: October 21, 2018, 04:29:03 PM »
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Well depends on what you think is evidence?

I suppose you could say there is stuff that flows from suspects and stuff that flows from FBI or related to things about the hijack.

Pretty much everything is "evidence" isn't it? Other than the group pissing contests.

Emrich comments on the idea that he has a suspect. Where would the newspaper article on that belong?

this thread can contain just about anything related to Cooper...

I'll tell you when a comment needs to be moved...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3427 on: October 21, 2018, 04:41:18 PM »
One could argue "get the show on the road" was just common to that generation and time frame.
But I wonder if it was more common in certain contexts. Here's a american-in-vietnam war plane reference (snippet)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3428 on: October 21, 2018, 04:54:25 PM »
It also bothers me that the only time Sheridan grew a beard, was in the '70s.
I believe that picture of him with the beard is when he was in Saudi Arabia in the '70s?
I seem to remember him saying it may have been a passport or visa picture. Forget.

I suppose being in a Muslim country could explain it.

But why choose that picture to put on the back of your book? It was from after Vietnam. It was long ago.
Why pick that picture? It can't be that Sheridan only had that one picture of himself.

So: Why grow a beard in the '70s  (and no other time I'm aware of) and why use a picture with a beard on your book, from the '70s?
He uses it on his current twitter account profile, too. Weird.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3429 on: October 21, 2018, 05:20:07 PM »
Just mentally reviewing all the things that make me wonder.
On that jump at the end of Sheridan's book, the Sheridan character jumps with a small canvas bag.
Clipped to his harness, and containing some supplies

"Grecco picked up a small canvas bag from the seat behind him and snapped it to the harness between his legs"

And why add detail about picking it up from a seat behind you? You're riding in a helicopter. Why is that important, as a writer, to add?
And why is important to add the detail about it being canvas?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3430 on: October 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM »
This is just scratching the surface on Sheridan.

Sheridan grew his beard in Nepal, perhaps before the hijacking.

Don't forget about the pearl handled gun and five $20 bills referenced before he jumps.

I'll take this opportunity to say that I was somewhat insulted by Snow's comment that I have brought nothing new to the Sheridan conversation. Beyond being a dick comment it's just flat out wrong.

My discovery regarding the DNA is significant...Remember, everyone thought Sheridan had been cleared by virtue of his DNA. I also pointed out the "possibly brown" eye color comment from the FBI.

I suppose my conversation with Sheridan regarding the cufflinks is no big deal either. Furthermore, I know Snow is aware of the numbered--which is the same thing as secret--bank account...and that Singapore is not an accurate location.

I consider the daisy chain comment critical. Again, this is analogous to someone who was accused of stealing a purse stating the purse had a lime green wallet in it. Where does this type of statement originate? Isn't it worthy of asking "How could you possibly know that?" Remember, I confronted Sheridan directly about this comment.

I have also talked with Mary Jean Fryar and discussed what I learned from her at length. Including that Sheridan's oft repeated comment about showing his passport to her is not true. Furthermore, I have stated that she told me that the FBI couldn't verify how he managed to make ends meet during his 2 1/2 years in Nepal. Furthermore, I verified from Sheridan himself that the only reason he eventually relented and gave the DNA sample is because he thought he would be handcuffed and taken to jail on the spot.

I could go on and on. But at the end of the day, I'm staking a flag in the ground and asserting that in my mind Sheridan Peterson was likely DB Cooper. Moreover, I have explained precisely how I arrived at this belief. Feel free to debate the merits of my points, don't ever accuse me of bringing nothing new to the table or implying that my work is little more than "plagiarism lite."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3431 on: October 21, 2018, 06:33:36 PM »
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And while Sheridan talks about it as Vietnam documentary...which parts of it are...it tends to be dominated by the autobiographical tragedies that lead up to being in Vietnam, and various grudges.

And ends with a parachute jump.

Now you would think the parachute jump then leads up to something dramatic, but it doesn't

The book ends with this reference to the two schizophrenic characters that are both actually Sheridan: (Grant Olson and Vince Grecco)

"Do you know Grant Olson?" Huu Bien asked.
"Yes, I know him." Grecco said. "I know him quite well."
"He is an American too." Huu Bien said. "He's a good man. The only one I met.
The rest were bastards"
"Don't be fooled," Vince said "He's the worst"


It's an odd way to end the book. Kind of self-loathing by Sheridan.

I do not consider this self-loathing. Rather, I believe there are two Sheridans. One that speaks to how he wants to be viewed. The other that speaks to the life he has actually lived.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3432 on: October 21, 2018, 06:47:27 PM »
Ok, I can see that.
Sheridan wants to say the book is about Vietnam.
But if you try to give it any serious analysis, it's about a series of personal offenses to him, or minimally descriptions of motivations...that lead up to justifying the final jump in some way that's really not clear.

Sheridan is an accomplished writer. He went to school and studied under an accomplished writer of western lit.

On its surface, the book is just bad writing. That's what makes it so weird.  It's a lot of words and he claims there are subplots, and his ability to recapture dialog from his past is amazing, and detail. His memory is amazing. I'm sure some are fictional details, but not many.

It just doesn't really make any sense
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3433 on: October 21, 2018, 06:50:35 PM »
EU

here's an example of why you're a little bit nuts like most cooper sleuths.

The reserve that Cooper took, was very unlikely to be daisy chained.
For you to claim that it was and that you know that somehow,
and that Sheridan saw it and says it was daisychained also,
is just bullshit.

All you know is Sheridan said something about daisy-chaining. You don't know Sheridan enough to understand why he said that.
Also remember he's old, and kinda nuts. You're reading tea leaves in a silly way, and it says more about you, than Sheridan

So yeah, you should be insulted.  I"m saying 92 year old Sheridan is more clued-in than you are!
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3434 on: October 21, 2018, 06:55:27 PM »
EU

Your claim that you somehow got Sheridan to admit something about cufflinks is ridiculous.
You make it sound like he's some schoolkid you can trick into admitting something he isn't aware is a admission or something.

really, do you think he's that much of a dufus?