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When you apply all of these criteria how many suspects can there really be? Truth be told, not many.

Impossible...that's speaking for people you don't know..

A mathematical formula can be created accounting for the assumptions that I've made...not too unlike an actuarial model used for insurance purposes. I suspect the results would be surprising. Perhaps a factor of a few million to one.

.... and models failed to find Flight MH370.

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Looking for Bill Grinnell

At Shutter's urging, I have called Bill Grinnell a couple of times and today visited his house, all to no avail. Bill is supposedly the guy who gathered the ransom money at SeaFirst back in Seattle, and would know if there were paper bands or rubber bands, or both, around the money.

But so far, he's been unresponsive to my inquiries.

Why would Grinnell know? Wasnt the money locked in a bag?  ............. Im lost with all of these major players who wont talk to you!

Grinnell worked as security for First National. he transported the money that was sealed in a satchel . he broke the seal so they could verify money was in the bag. he sounds like a good place to start as an acting witness for the bank...

for all I know Larry interviewed him too in 2010 ?

possibly, he said he spoke with the guy who transported the money..two of them were involved..Grinnell and Burns...Burns is no longer on the planet...

I wonder what Tom knows... Ckret apparently is unavailable. 

Is it Grinnell who told Ckret there were no paper bands on any of the bills in the security fund?

I know this much from simple logic: you cant run bills wrapped in bands of any kind through a Recordak-600! And when you are assembling bundles off the line of that machine you have to wrap the bills with something to form bundles! Which is fastest? Paper vs rubber ?

I showed Tom the document stating bands from other banks were on the bills...

his response was

Most likely true. Lots of detail in the text so no reason not to believe it.
 Tk

then added:
 I still don't see how either way it changes anything. Tk

sure there might be paper bank bands when the money is acquired from other banks etc ... but! You cant run bound bundles thru a Recordak-600 to make a list! The machine only accepts single bills ... that is how it makes its count and records serial numbers as single bills. Then you would have to re-band everything .... after the list is made for accounting then the bills have to remain unbound for use in an emergency! Only then can you assemble new groups (called bundles) and wrap them in new paper bands or rubber bands ...

And the bank guy said: 'no identifying paper bands in any of that emergency fund to trace to any particular bank'.  So there was a prohibition against having any identifying paper bands on any of that emergency money, held for quick access in an emergency. 

And there is more!

That emergency find had already been recorded on a Recordak-600. That produced their original list of the bills. The bills had to be run a second time to produce the money for Cooper. That second run produced the original list with start and stop marks indicating bundles assembled to be given to Cooper. And those bundles assembled for Cooper had to be wrapped with something quickly.

There was no paper bands on any of that money after it went into the emergency fund including when it was run thru the Recordak a second time and reorganised as assembled bundles for Cooper.

No paper bands at any time - prohibited as a bank security policy for that emergency fund money.

does Portland FBI have there own Cooper vault of 302's?

dont know ... JT and others have said everything was sent to Seattle after H retired .... who knows! 

Was Portland issuing any 302s or memos after Feb 1980? Did that ever stop?

was just wondering how Himmel got all of his information.

He would have been kept in the loop ... JT says so. JT said H was being advised of things clear up to 2008. Is it true? I have no idea .... 

You know there is that old interview Sluggo did with H - maybe there is something in there

I showed Tom the document stating bands from other banks were on the bills...

his response was

Most likely true. Lots of detail in the text so no reason not to believe it.
 Tk

then added:
 I still don't see how either way it changes anything. Tk

TOM.. the actual banding isn't the point, it would mean that the 3 "packets" arrived as one rubber banded bundle.

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did you read all the evidence supporting what the FBI did with the money? I doubt any of us have this knowledge..to say what they did or didn't do is pure speculation when we don't have all the facts..lots of things can appear to make someone guilty until all the facts are put on the table..

sadly, we don't have all the facts..we have bits and pieces and that makes it extremely hard to base anything on fact..

Sure, that is the nature of this nearly 50 year old case..  we really don't have "proof" of much at all. The best we can do is "theoretical" based on our interpretations and application of logic and reason. Most arguments here are based on those subjective interpretations. 

Think about it, the FBI has failed to solve this case with all the resources and info they have and we don't.

How do we expect to solve this unless we explore new ideas and theories.. they may or may not pan out but even if they fail it is still valuable. Using assumptions to reject a theory is not only unproductive it is irrational.

But you are the guy who keeps saying you have already solved it so no further tests are needed! Make up your mind.

I believe the case is solved...  TBAR is not..  get your strawmen straight.