the other side of the coin puts suspects who have been in the cross hairs of the FBI and went through DNA, fingerprinting , background checks, and more we don't know about...can also become "counter productive" things not surrounding a suspect gets pushed away or ignored..tunnel vision takes over.

800 pages are in the FBI files about Weber, but as usual, it doesn't stop that person from believing..Blevins ignores the description based on what he reads about other crimes that have zero connection to this case. Marla Cooper was another one.

I seriously doubt Cooper is on any known radar with the FBI or anyone else IMHO. I just don't believe anyone is any closer than what has been done since 1971..the tie found on the plane seems to be the winner to date when it comes to new evidence brought to the table..it still hasn't been established he survived?

Indeed, any suspect is going to have to explain all of the evidence.

I find it interesting that you think Cooper was someone unknown to the FBI. I wonder if I'm on an island believing that Cooper is already in the files?

I find it interesting that you think Cooper was someone unknown to the FBI.

Shockingly, yes..as with every other part of the case we just can't say Cooper was as qualified as they claim..it is possible he had very little knowledge of a lot of things..they don't have enough to get an actual FBI profile of Cooper. not enough known about him..tons of speculation...

I don't have any more proof than anyone else..I'm not some super qualified guy who has all the answers either. I'm just trying to find some answers...

When you apply all of these criteria how many suspects can there really be? Truth be told, not many.

Impossible...that's speaking for people you don't know..

again, there could be thousands who fit this range you compiled..thousands..that's all based on certain points that might not even be true. you can break it down to a point. Cooper does not have to be from the area..that alone opens the field or even more from he's not from this country....it's much harder as I mentioned than a typical murder or crime where it's usually based in the area of the crime.


hope that made sense...I just corrected some of it (again)...I'm cleaning the house right now..

Here's something I'd like to discuss.
If you look at the FBI memos, the description they circulated for Cooper said
"Possibly brown eyes"
not
"brown eyes"

If the FBI was willing to circulate a description with "possibly brown eyes" at some time, why are people so adamant that brown eyes are a requirement? I know the interviews. But still, the FBI said "possibly"

attached example description from the FBI FOIA...the "possibly brown" is used many times.

nobody can determine how long the money was on the beach let alone what type of bands were around them..witness testimony means nothing apparently...just memo's...

I believe appropriate tests could nail down a timeline for burial on T Bar. I have said that 1000000 times! I base that on a knowledge of forensic lab techniques available these days ... some of which were available in 1971.

We have discussed before what lab tests were done on the money. I have provided chapter and verse based on docs I and Tom have. We know that more lab work was available and could have been done. Anyone who has been working in forensics sine the 1950s as I have knows that! Its elementary. Most FBI tests were ordered by a lab, no lab was free to freelance its testing with an unlimited budget, agents generally asked for specific testing or questions to be answered by lab work. Those protocols limited the testing done on the Ingram money. Tests that might have helped understand when the money was buried (removed from atmospheric exposure) in T_Bar were never done. Those tests had been perfected and were generally in forensic use in science since about 1948-50 as an outgrowth of the nuclear program in the United States. There were isotopic tests that could have been run on the Cooper money in 1980 - either here in the USA or in several other countries including in Russia!   [Was Cooper aware of that?]

I'm afraid I'm missing something regarding this entire debate. More to the point, what the hell does this have to do with the price of tea in China? How does paper-bands versus no-paper-bands get you any closer to determining Cooper's identity? Is this really going to help settle whether the money washed up on shore and buried itself? Or, if Cooper survived or died? It seems to me you're getting caught up in the weeds.

The reality is that there is ample evidence to argue those points outside of whether there were paper bands or not.

Put another way:

1) If you believe the FBI flight path and jump zone are accurate, human intervention was involved with the Tena Bar money.

2) If you believe the money washed up on Tena Bar and self buried itself you are asking for a lot of circumstances to fall into place perfectly otherwise this becomes impossible.

3) If you believe in the dredge theory a lot of explaining has to accompany that too considering Tom Kaye's fine work regarding Tena Bar.

In my diseased mind, the fact that there was no body found, no parachute found, no attache case found, no bank bag found, no shroud lines found, not a single $20 bill found blowing in the wind, no missing persons reports, and three packets (the Ingram's description of what they discovered) of cash buried with degraded rubber bands still intact, suggests to me that Cooper survived and buried those three packets for some reason.

With this in mind, suspects may be vetted irrespective of paper bands.

I tend to agree!

Paper or rubber, each has forensic value in this case. The Ingrams claim it was rubber. Others claim it was rubber. So far only FLYJACK insists it was paper (because of packets vs packages vs bundles vs trundles and dundles and whatchamacallits). Maybe I just made a mistake ... maybe FLYJACK is saying both paper and rubber bands were involved because this money was assembled as "chains of bricks" which is an actual bank term! 

the other side of the coin puts suspects who have been in the cross hairs of the FBI and went through DNA, fingerprinting , background checks, and more we don't know about...can also become "counter productive" things not surrounding a suspect gets pushed away or ignored..tunnel vision takes over.

800 pages are in the FBI files about Weber, but as usual, it doesn't stop that person from believing..Blevins ignores the description based on what he reads about other crimes that have zero connection to this case. Marla Cooper was another one.

I seriously doubt Cooper is on any known radar with the FBI or anyone else IMHO. I just don't believe anyone is any closer than what has been done since 1971..the tie found on the plane seems to be the winner to date when it comes to new evidence brought to the table..it still hasn't been established he survived?

when we have dna. prints, saliva, or anything of lab value then I will get working on suspects - not until.

And I could get experts in several industries to work on this free (and so could Snowmman probably) if there was anyt hard evidence to work with.