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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3315 on: October 20, 2018, 12:22:33 AM »
Himmel is sketchy himself...I recall him saying Cooper had a nasty or filthy mouth....nothing in the testimonies show any indication of that...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3316 on: October 20, 2018, 12:23:16 AM »
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Correct, proving it seems to be a lot harder though....who states this...it doesn't give a name in the memo of truth..

Different people understood the matter differently based on different information they had.

Doesnt mean anybody was intentionally lying or misleading ...

And it sure as hell doesnt mean any single story was the only correct story. That is precisely why this whole matter was still being debated as late as 2010 when somebody suddenly claimed paper bands were on the money and the Ingrams were lying or insane!! So, Cket looked for and found the guy who actually assembled the bundles and he described to Larry exactly what he did. It is now 2018 and here we are going through this all over again with a new group of experts, logicians, and doubters.... it will never end! 

It would be on helluva a lot easier if Ckret was here to say it all himself!

Nobody has to believe a word I am saying ....   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3317 on: October 20, 2018, 12:24:23 AM »
If the secret cabal that includes georger, ckret and kaye, decided that floating money down a river made sense as an experiment..why did they wrap some bills with rubber bands, instead of bundles of bank strapped bills, held together with rubber bands?

Their experiment made no sense considering the facts.

That's because they believed random bullshit which wasn't true.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3318 on: October 20, 2018, 12:27:56 AM »
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If the secret cabal that includes georger, ckret and kaye, decided that floating money down a river made sense as an experiment..why did they wrap some bills with rubber bands, instead of bundles of bank strapped bills, held together with rubber bands?

Their experiment made no sense considering the facts.

That's because they believed random bullshit which wasn't true.

I had nothing to do with that nonsense!

You need to update your updater.  Pluck your magic twanger or something. Ckret had nothing to do with Kaye's work either, for whatever that's worth.

Your comment in fact is just another propeller theory - but I like it!  Humor goes a long way still .....  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3319 on: October 20, 2018, 12:28:40 AM »
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Himmel is sketchy himself...I recall him saying Cooper had a nasty or filthy mouth....nothing in the testimonies show any indication of that...

but that statement matches the evidence..

strapped in 100's and rubber banded together..

TBAR in 100's
Ingrams find rubber bands
3 packets found together
bank statement to FBI
bank employee statement
random sized "bundles" by Baker and Ckret
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3320 on: October 20, 2018, 12:31:28 AM »
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If the secret cabal that includes georger, ckret and kaye, decided that floating money down a river made sense as an experiment..why did they wrap some bills with rubber bands, instead of bundles of bank strapped bills, held together with rubber bands?

Their experiment made no sense considering the facts.

That's because they believed random bullshit which wasn't true.

Snow... you find the guy who assembled the bundles and YOU interview him, if he's still alive.  C:-)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3321 on: October 20, 2018, 12:32:23 AM »
random sized "bundles" by Baker and Ckret

If you rule out Carr as full of shit...and then Baker not remembering anything....you don't have much to use as fact..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3322 on: October 20, 2018, 12:34:46 AM »
I have the fbi memos

You guys are just struggling because you have a need to say the cooper money was given to him with rubber bands.

I'm not weighed down by that need.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3323 on: October 20, 2018, 12:35:52 AM »
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random sized "bundles" by Baker and Ckret

If you rule out Carr as full of shit...and then Baker not remembering anything....you don't have much to use as fact..

... and ... the bills were in the same random order that the fund was when the bills were pulled from the fund and assembled in groups .... called BUNDLES.

Somebody find the guy who assembled the bundles and interview him!
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« Reply #3324 on: October 20, 2018, 12:35:58 AM »
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random sized "bundles" by Baker and Ckret

If you rule out Carr as full of shit...and then Baker not remembering anything....you don't have much to use as fact..

Baker made the statement a few days after the money find. Carr misunderstood the Bank employee and made some false assumptions about random sizing.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3325 on: October 20, 2018, 12:43:10 AM »
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I have the fbi memos

You guys are just struggling because you have a need to say the cooper money was given to him with rubber bands.

I'm not weighed down by that need.

Yes you are correct. My NEED  is ruled by:

(1) what the Ingrams saw, touched, and worked with ie what the Ingrams all five of them saw and did.

(2) what the guy who assembled the bundles said he did

(3) UNDETERMINED FUTURE DATA:  what the evidence folders may yet yield. rubber band frags or paper band frags ?

Why didn't Tom look at the contents of those two plastic boxes he saw at Seattle? My suspicion is those two boxes are debris from evidence folders, and have nothing to do with fragments found at T Bar.

But again - somebody find and interview the bank employee(s) who actually assembled the bundles, if he's still alive. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3326 on: October 20, 2018, 12:46:59 AM »
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Baker made the statement a few days after the money find.

that means nothing...he doesn't have anything to comment on today to backup his claim...
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« Reply #3327 on: October 20, 2018, 12:50:15 AM »
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Baker made the statement a few days after the money find.

that means nothing...he doesn't have anything to comment on today to backup his claim...

We dont even know what the basis of Baker's statement is. Some VP at the bank? Some VP expert on what other people say was done but he wasn't personally involved?

The day anybody presents an FBI document actually naming the guy (and his helper) who assembled the bundles off the Recordak-600 line in a room at the bank, to be delivered to Cooper ... I will awaken and celebrate!  :chr2: So far we are not seeing that level of specificity ... maybe guys in dirty shirts and pants dont get interviewed by clean cut FBI agents at banks .... maybe bank managers dont allow their  worker bees to talk! ?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3328 on: October 20, 2018, 12:51:22 AM »
I don't have a need to say anything...once again you are claiming things that are not true...I've explained several times that I don't have all the facts to say what the truth really is...telling me what you think I believe doesn't help either..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3329 on: October 20, 2018, 12:52:31 AM »
By 1980 most of the story has gone haywire...
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