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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3300 on: October 19, 2018, 11:46:33 PM »
we have an issue...Tina stated "bank type bands" while a memo clearly states bank bands with a possibility of other bank bands on them...is this the whole truth and nothing but the truth since it's in a memo?

then we imply an agent is full of shit...but memo's made by agents are not...is this what we are going by?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3301 on: October 19, 2018, 11:47:10 PM »
Hi georger

Yeah, I don't consider you a credible source. You're too into these backdoor meetings and secret cabals.
All you guys getting together and chatting: It's not evidence.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3302 on: October 19, 2018, 11:51:10 PM »
The agent full of shit got involved in the case around 2007/2008
No reason his opinion has value, other than due to access to secret memos.

You're claiming he had interviews. I don't see the posting from him that validates what he says.
Are you saying him and the guy in 1980 both read the same memo, yet we don't have it?
If so, why did Portland in 1980 say the bills were in the same order as given to cooper? I've posted that internal memo. But then also say they were randomized? None of those statements are consistent with the microfiche memos etc.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3303 on: October 19, 2018, 11:54:29 PM »
I posted his comment in full...it speaks as if he was at the bank...this means he probably spoke with multiple people. I see what the memo's say and what Carr states is different..breaking it down to the truth is what we are looking for..I'm not believing anything until all the facts are in place..

you have taken several of my comments and combined them into a misunderstanding yourself...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3304 on: October 19, 2018, 11:55:50 PM »
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Hi georger

Yeah, I don't consider you a credible source. You're too into these backdoor meetings and secret cabals.
All you guys getting together and chatting: It's not evidence.

OK so you are the "real" Snowmman! Welcome.   :rofl:

Ckret did four bank employee interviews that I know of.  One or two in 2008-09 I believe, then two more with the bank employee who actually assembled the "bundolas" in ............... 2010 I think. Ckret had left DZ. People involved at the time were myself, Tom, and Brian, and Brian's mother Pat.

BUT! Flyjack doesn't want this posted here! He says its a lie(s).

The whole purpose of the last two interviews was to clarify  paper vs rubber bands on the BUNDOLAS. Not packetolas, not packageolas, ........... just bundles.

Flyjack has it in his head there were three formal banking terms being used: packets, packages, and bundles. He thinks everyone involved in the hijacking was conversant in and using "formal banking terms" and making distinctions using those words.

Thats enough complexity for one post.   ;D
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3305 on: October 19, 2018, 11:58:57 PM »
we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....
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« Reply #3306 on: October 19, 2018, 11:59:15 PM »
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Hi georger

Yeah, I don't consider you a credible source. You're too into these backdoor meetings and secret cabals.
All you guys getting together and chatting: It's not evidence.

Believe who and what you will. 

Yep - its the real Snowmman.  :rofl:   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3307 on: October 20, 2018, 12:05:45 AM »
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we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....

I'm not sure what the problem is with this document. It is both easy to understand and explain.
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« Reply #3308 on: October 20, 2018, 12:07:58 AM »
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we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....

I'm not sure what the problem is with this document. It is both easy to understand and explain.


It states that paper bands are on the money...so the Ingrams were seeing things when they stated rubber bands were on the bills...
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« Reply #3309 on: October 20, 2018, 12:09:13 AM »
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we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....

The document has some things right, some things wrong.

Yes the bills were in random order because, all of the bills in the whole find were already in random order! Weve gone over this 5 million times - the story is still the same - no contra contradicting info on that.

STEP II:  The random ordered fund is used for assembling bundles for the hijacking.

Bundles, packets, packages .... all of these words being used by different people for the same thing! The bundles assembled and wrapped with one or two bands then stuffed in a bag for Cooper. 

I seriously doubt you will EVER get to a better resolution of this story. Its too late, People are dead. Documents are gone. Photos unavailable. etc etc etc
 
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3310 on: October 20, 2018, 12:11:38 AM »
The last part of the document is the "troubling" part I commented on....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3311 on: October 20, 2018, 12:13:04 AM »
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we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....

I'm not sure what the problem is with this document. It is both easy to understand and explain.


It states that paper bands are on the money...so the Ingrams were seeing things when they stated rubber bands were on the bills...

"It" states? 

The Bible starts out and says: viyomer elohim v'et hashimayim v'et haaretz.

Do you believe that too? Its a translation. Many of these FBI documents are a translation too from somebody's understanding at the time! 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3312 on: October 20, 2018, 12:16:52 AM »
Correct, proving it seems to be a lot harder though....who states this...it doesn't give a name in the memo of truth..
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« Reply #3313 on: October 20, 2018, 12:19:27 AM »
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we still have problems...no matter who spoke to who...

this document is troubling....

I'm not sure what the problem is with this document. It is both easy to understand and explain.


It states that paper bands are on the money...so the Ingrams were seeing things when they stated rubber bands were on the bills...

Ingrams saw rubber bands...  no conflict...

Himmelsbach quote:

"They were carried on board by a flight attendant. There were ten thousand $20 bills assembled in straps of 100 bills to a strap, and individual straps held together with rubber bands. The money alone, just the currency weighed 21 pounds."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3314 on: October 20, 2018, 12:22:23 AM »
so Himmelsbach is saying the straps disappeared, yet rubber bands surrounding strapped bundles, stayed in some form?

Is the implication that the 3 bundles were encircled by rubber bands holding together, yet crumbling?

If so, why did Ingrams say 3 bundles?

no bundle was that different from 100 bills...So what exactly did the rubber bands encircle?
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