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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3255 on: October 19, 2018, 09:16:15 PM »
It's NOT American...I can see what looks like palm tree's on it...the seal is wrong and the numbers look like Yen....also the backing where the currency amount is shows it being green...that's not American currency...
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« Reply #3256 on: October 19, 2018, 09:31:04 PM »
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It's NOT American...I can see what looks like palm tree's on it...the seal is wrong and the numbers look like Yen....also the backing where the currency amount is shows it being green...that's not American currency...

yes it is, the image came from the US BUREAU OF ENGRAVING AND PRINTING

"In fact, one man who sent in the damaged currency below -- one of about 100 packages that arrive each day -- wrote that water had leaked into a money-filled jar buried at his deceased parents' home."

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It is also on their website somewhere...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3257 on: October 19, 2018, 09:31:58 PM »
I take that back...looking at other bills the seal shows up....my mistake....
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« Reply #3258 on: October 19, 2018, 09:33:28 PM »
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can't determine anything under plastic....


Here is a better pic,, this was a top bill of one of the stacks..
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« Reply #3259 on: October 19, 2018, 09:39:18 PM »
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Flyjack, what bank employee are you quoting that says he rubber banded the money?

I've not seen any interview posted, or memo that says that.

It comes from several agents statements and logic..

The money was assembled and random sized. Ckret and Baker
The Ingrams found rubber band frags.
TBAR "packets" were in 100's = not random sized..

The Bank employee must have random sized the "bundles" (groups of packets) with rubber bands.

It all fits.. Ckret was wrong, he assumed the "packets" were random sized, they weren't.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3260 on: October 19, 2018, 09:53:46 PM »

The Bank employee must have random sized the "bundles" (groups of packets) with rubber bands.


where in the documents do they state this...if we are not to believe the FBI.then you are back to the $2,000 packets..if the bank did this, I would bet they would document it as they did everything else...
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« Reply #3261 on: October 19, 2018, 10:01:05 PM »
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can't determine anything under plastic....


Here is a better pic,, this was a top bill of one of the stacks..


looks more like transfer marks from another bill...we don't know which bills were top ones while under the plastic...

I'll show what theory I had years ago....
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« Reply #3262 on: October 19, 2018, 10:03:07 PM »
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The Bank employee must have random sized the "bundles" (groups of packets) with rubber bands.


where in the documents do they state this...if we are not to believe the FBI.then you are back to the $2,000 packets..if the bank did this, I would bet they would document it as they did everything else...

Don't get your point.. it isn't stated, it is logic. Has nothing to with with not believing the FBI?

Two agents 30 years apart have stated that the bank employee random sized the money.

If that is true and the 3 TBAR "packets" were NOT random sized then he MUST have random sized the "bundles" - groups of packets. That can only be done with rubber bands and Ingrams found rubber band fragments.

It fits all the evidence except Ckret's "packet/bundle" conflation.
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« Reply #3263 on: October 19, 2018, 10:05:07 PM »
Years ago I brought up the idea of multiple bands on these "bundles" when you look at the photo of them on the table it appears that it's possible the rubber bands wore through the sides of the cash or stacks over time..they could also be insects making the marks...the marks are consistent to where rubber bands would be on each side of the "stacks"
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« Reply #3264 on: October 19, 2018, 10:05:29 PM »
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can't determine anything under plastic....


Here is a better pic,, this was a top bill of one of the stacks..


looks more like transfer marks from another bill...we don't know which bills were top ones while under the plastic...

I'll show what theory I had years ago....

I don't know what it is, but it was a top bill of the 12 stacks. I can't find any other bills with that type of line, it looks like something that might be caused by a rubber band.
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« Reply #3265 on: October 19, 2018, 10:11:15 PM »
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Years ago I brought up the idea of multiple bands on these "bundles" when you look at the photo of them on the table it appears that it's possible the rubber bands wore through the sides of the cash or stacks over time..they could also be insects making the marks...the marks are consistent to where rubber bands would be on each side of the "stacks"

Could be indents from rubber bands, but that is really far in from the edge. I was trying to determine if the rubber bands were around each packet or all as one bundle.
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« Reply #3266 on: October 19, 2018, 10:12:08 PM »
Can someone provide what Baker said about rubber bands?
Ckret's comments are worthless, so the only stuff on rubber bands if from Baker? what year?
what is the text of what he said?
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« Reply #3267 on: October 19, 2018, 10:16:02 PM »
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Can someone provide what Baker said about rubber bands?
Ckret's comments are worthless, so the only stuff on rubber bands if from Baker? what year?
what is the text of what he said?

Baker didn't mention rubber bands... but if the money was "bundled" into several sizes, had to be rubber bands.

FBI agent William Baker told the Oregonian on Feb 13 1980.

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"Baker said the money was bundled into packages of several sizes at the time of the hijacking. "to make it appear that it was randomly done, as if it was done in a hurry." Because of that the actual amount could not be estimated, he said."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3268 on: October 19, 2018, 10:18:16 PM »
Are you talking about this Bill Baker from 1980? Like I said they said wrong stuff in 1980 about the money
Dorwin Schreuer, chief agent on Tena Bar
Asst. Director Bill Baker, Schreuder's Portland superior at the time

How would a Portland guy be an expert on how the money was packaged in Seattle? Did he read some secret memo. Don't think so. They were full of crap in Portland.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3269 on: October 19, 2018, 10:19:36 PM »
Okay, thanks for Baker's quote. I think he was wrong, just like the Portland memo that said the money was found "in order"
They were just making stuff up.
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