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Offline snowmman

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3240 on: October 19, 2018, 07:34:31 PM »
we're going in circles

So rather than saying "rubber bands" you think Tina said "bank bands" when she saw rubber bands?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3241 on: October 19, 2018, 07:36:25 PM »
The short of it, is that NO ONE has a coherent story that aligns with the FBI memos and the interviewed witnesses, that says rubber bands or random sized bundles were delivered to Cooper.

if someone has the coherent story, write it and post it. It doesn't exist.

I've just shown how Ckret's story came out of his ass, with no supporting interview or document.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3242 on: October 19, 2018, 07:49:56 PM »
I don't think we have the full story..they had 3 different 302's and I also questioned Tina's statement when I first read it..it's "bank type bands" still didn't say paper..then I have to believe an interview never happened and the Ingram's were wrong and Tina was right? I haven't seen any documents with Carr in them, or many about a lot of the known suspects..I have 4 on McCoy, but nothing on Peterson, Christiansen, Weber, LD etc. until I see more convincing evidence I just can't say you are right...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3243 on: October 19, 2018, 07:57:54 PM »
What interview are you talking about that you have to disbelieve?

Ckret didn't interview anyone that said there was rubber bands on the money delivered to Cooper.

Am I missing something?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3244 on: October 19, 2018, 08:01:30 PM »
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I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for shipment.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. My head was spinning for a few days until I could get it straight.

That's sounds like he went directly to the bank..."I then went back and re-interviewed"

It was either Burns or Grinnell that he spoke too...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3245 on: October 19, 2018, 08:07:00 PM »
William C. Grinnell....still alive
Frank J. Burns...died in early to mid 2000's
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3246 on: October 19, 2018, 08:24:00 PM »
I emailed Tom Kaye about this..I can't post his reply in text due to the error's...I posted it in a photo..I also included the picture of the back of the bill showing a possible band mark...he seems to agree with that photo and not the front of the bill...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3247 on: October 19, 2018, 08:30:49 PM »
Those lines don't look like a "deteriorated" rubber band mark..

those pics were taken with the bills in a plastic sleeve, the line may be in the plastic sleeve.. not on the bill
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3248 on: October 19, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »
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I don't think we have the full story..they had 3 different 302's and I also questioned Tina's statement when I first read it..it's "bank type bands" still didn't say paper..then I have to believe an interview never happened and the Ingram's were wrong and Tina was right? I haven't seen any documents with Carr in them, or many about a lot of the known suspects..I have 4 on McCoy, but nothing on Peterson, Christiansen, Weber, LD etc. until I see more convincing evidence I just can't say you are right...

My theory fits all the evidence..

The rubber bands were around the (random sized) bundles, groups of packets..

Ingrams were correct.. they found rubber band frags stuck on bills
Tina was correct, she saw "bank type bands"
Bank employee was correct, he random sized the bundles, groups of packets - not individual packets

TBAR was in 3 packets of 100's, rubber banded into 1 bundle.

The bank calls paper bank straps "bank bands"..





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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3249 on: October 19, 2018, 08:54:49 PM »
This what rubber bands look like,, water damage.

They aren't straight, IMO those Cooper bill marks are from the plastic sleeve.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3250 on: October 19, 2018, 08:59:57 PM »
how long in the water, where was it at..what were the temps etc? apples and oranges comparing things to the Cooper money that we have no idea of how long in the water or if it was in the water etc...that doesn't look like american currency either...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3251 on: October 19, 2018, 09:03:32 PM »
Flyjack, what bank employee are you quoting that says he rubber banded the money?

I've not seen any interview posted, or memo that says that.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3252 on: October 19, 2018, 09:06:52 PM »
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This what rubber bands look like,, water damage.

They aren't straight, IMO those Cooper bill marks are from the plastic sleeve.

can you provide the link to this pic?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3253 on: October 19, 2018, 09:07:13 PM »
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how long in the water, where was it at..what were the temps etc? apples and oranges comparing things to the Cooper money that we have no idea of how long in the water or if it was in the water etc...that doesn't look like american currency either...

It is American, it has a rusty paper clip on it.. the point is the rubber band does stay straight and even as it deteriorates. Those Cooper images are in a plastic sleeve, no way those are rubber band marks.

This is an actual Cooper bill, top of pile that has a mark, may be from a rubber band... what else?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3254 on: October 19, 2018, 09:13:57 PM »
can't determine anything under plastic....
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