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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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25% Cooper lived
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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
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75% Cooper lived
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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3225 on: October 19, 2018, 06:21:23 PM »
are we discounting the Ingrams all together?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3226 on: October 19, 2018, 06:24:07 PM »
how would paper bands change the amount?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3227 on: October 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PM »
The bank claims they had $250,000 stored for something like this, correct?
They claim $230,000 of it was all in 20's in packets of $2,000, correct?

This was all done days, months or years before Cooper, correct?

How hard would it be to take 100 "packets" of $2,000 each and toss them in a bag whether it was paper bands, rubber bands, duct tape, paper clips, thread, or even tie clips  :rofl:

Is Tom Kaye also wrong when he found out the company they used for the rubber bands?
what I don't follow is the random amounts...this is where Flyjack could be right that they put rubber bands around several packets...the bank also could of used rubber bands to easily identify the mark currency in the vault?

you have 100 packets of 20's....they could of wrapped them in bundles of 3,5,7,4 etc..so when Cooper looked in the bag he see's different amounts...it doesn't explain him taking a large amount out to give the stews though...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3228 on: October 19, 2018, 06:55:04 PM »
I actually don't care what people think.
I find it amusing though, that no one is willing to write down the convoluted myth and show how it aligns with known FBI memos and the travel times of the money.

It's because it's not possible to write the story. So people tell bits and pieces and claim they remember something someone pulled out of their ass back in the day and that means rubber bands flew out of a pigs mouth onto Cooper money.

Why does it matter if there was a company selling rubber bands to banks that Kaye talked to?
Kaye's no god...he's said crap before (propellor theory). Just because he owns a SEM doesn't make him an authority on anything.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3229 on: October 19, 2018, 07:01:39 PM »
Nobody ever claimed Kaye was God or Carr...just because they have a bad theory doesn't give cause to discredit them...

I don't know what it true or false in a lot of this case..I don't have one theory I push on people so accusing me of cherry picking has no value to me...the people who found the money claim rubber bands were on them...you need a lot of proof to go against actual witnesses...I'm all eye's on new evidence.

I still thinks it's possible the dredge was involved but I don't have enough proof..I sit a wait till it can be completely discounted..same for everything else...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3230 on: October 19, 2018, 07:03:20 PM »
I looked at that newly found video showing digging after the Ingram find, and apparently finding one mid-sized chard.
And Bruce's nice interview with the Agent about the number of supposed chards found.

That mid-sized chard was shown being put in a plastic bag with some smaller chards.

I was surprised how white the mid-sized chard looked, compared to the outer bills in the Ingrams....Why weren't those chards brown? or at least, browner?

Made me wonder if they were some pieces that came off the original Ingram pile, that the Ingrams didn't see or retrieve.

So I'm not sure what to make of the images in that newly found video. I was going to post some snippets, but watching the video is enough to see what I mean.

And by the 2nd day they weren't finding any shards?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3231 on: October 19, 2018, 07:05:11 PM »
I'm not saying rubber bands weren't on the money when found.

I guess I'm allowing the idea that Cooper took off the paper straps between 1971 and 1980 sometime, put on rubber bands, and somehow the bundles made it to Tena Bar, post-hijack.

It's also possible there were no rubber bands when the Ingrams found them, and they were confused.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3232 on: October 19, 2018, 07:11:36 PM »
I find this hard to believe Carr was confused or got things wrong?


As for the "shocking " information about the money, I spoke with the individual who carried the money from the bank to the airport the night of the hijacking. When I was talking with him he recounted that they were in the vault running the money through the counting machine and strapping the bundles. I didn't catch it at, first but later in our conversation I caught on to the strapping part and said, "wait a minute." "you were strapping the $20.00 bundles with $2,000 paper straps?" He said "yes" and I almost fell out of my chair.

So I then started putting calls into Brian Ingram. He called me back and we spoke about the discovery of the money. What I found was that the money was not recovered near the water but about 20 to 40 feet from the edge. He said he found it in an area that had recently been covered in water. So I thought, "well not really much of a difference." I then asked for the details about the condition of the money when he found it and he confirmed, after speaking with his parents, that the money absolutely had rubber bands around the bundles. This makes sense because there is no way paper straps would have kept the money together over the years.

So this all means, on face value, that if the money given to Cooper by the bank had paper straps and the found money had rubber bands....... well you could see how I was a bit perplexed. This would mean that either Cooper lived and repackaged the money or someone found the money and repackaged it. Which would be "par for the course" with regard to this case.

I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for shipment.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. My head was spinning for a few days until I could get it straight. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3233 on: October 19, 2018, 07:13:43 PM »
I mentioned this a week ago...someone needs to contact Grinnell, Burns is dead...these two saw the money and were in charge of it while it was at the bank...

there is a Grinnell living in Seattle that is 70 some years old..my guess it it's him...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3234 on: October 19, 2018, 07:18:10 PM »
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Made me wonder if they were some pieces that came off the original Ingram pile, that the Ingrams didn't see or retrieve.

$5,800 found...that's short $200 if they were bundled in $2,000..odds are some of the pieces are from the bundles...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3235 on: October 19, 2018, 07:23:53 PM »
ok, shutter, I have to get you thinking right here.

reread Ckret's account.

His interview provided NO information. The guy said he was recounting a procedure that was "normal" and basically had no information on the cooper money.

Then Ckret jumps to a claim that's not supported by any memos or any interview.

Yet everyone seems to remember Ckret interviewed someone who supported his story. He didn't. Read it again, closely.

here's the bullshit Ckret posted. The last sentence he made up out of his head, with no source material.
It didn't come from ANYONE!

The rubber bands on money delivered to Cooper is just myth. It's false.



I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for shipment.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. My head was spinning for a few days until I could get it straight.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3236 on: October 19, 2018, 07:25:58 PM »
Ckret claims the money was not strapped

But all the fbi memos support the notion that the money was strapped in bundles of 100 bills, which is why the microfiche start/stop represents 100 bill units

There is no way that Ckret can say the money was not already strapped the day of the hijack, and resolve the microfiche memos.

And there was no repackaging of the money from strapped bundles to random rubber band bundles.

Ckret just made it up
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3237 on: October 19, 2018, 07:27:46 PM »
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Cooper claims the money was not strapped

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3238 on: October 19, 2018, 07:29:43 PM »
that was a typo Shutter, I corrected it above
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3239 on: October 19, 2018, 07:31:25 PM »
"strapped" is a bank term...that doesn't mean they didn't use rubber bands?