Agreed, but this applies to all that try and maneuver around certain points in the official description. as Carr explained "you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect."

Descriptions can be wrong. I'm not doubting that, but this seems to be entirely different from common crimes where the witness didn't have long to identify the suspect. we can clearly see this in the reports from the passengers.

Basic guidelines must protect the description from disruption, or contamination that opens the door to hundreds more suspects now fitting the "new description" Carr quotes again much as I do "where does one draw the line"

I'm always game for exploring new suspects, but you drop the odds considerably if you breach the description of this suspect. that's how I view it. perhaps others don't.

People always go through the doorway of "the descriptions could be wrong" to get where they are going anyway. Better they could be honest about it and just say: "I'm going to push Kenny or Duane as DB Cooper, and descriptions and nothing else matters. And if you get in my way I will just torment you and get rid of you by one means or another because I have Sangiro, Messo, Amazon, and Quade on my side so quite literally "F&*K you!".

The socalled 'manners' are a charade. The end is always the same at Dropzone. (I knew that after being there only a day years ago before Blevins even arrived! ) 



   

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Agreed, but this applies to all that try and maneuver around certain points in the official description. as Carr explained "you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect."

Descriptions can be wrong. I'm not doubting that, but this seems to be entirely different from common crimes where the witness didn't have long to identify the suspect. we can clearly see this in the reports from the passengers.

Basic guidelines must protect the description from disruption, or contamination that opens the door to hundreds more suspects now fitting the "new description" Carr quotes again much as I do "where does one draw the line"

I'm always game for exploring new suspects, but you drop the odds considerably if you breach the description of this suspect. that's how I view it. perhaps others don't.

The problem is that this late in the game, there aren't any suspects out there that fit that FBI description that haven't been ruled out.  Either one  or more of the eyewitness descriptions are wrong, or we haven't seen the right person yet.

And how precisely do YOU know that!?  Do you have a photo and description of every person the FBI has looked at? Show us.

 

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Provigil

Anybody ever heard of the pharmaceutical drug called "Provigil?"

Apparently it was developed to treat sleep disorders, but now is found to keep people awake with higher doses for very long periods of time, such as up to two weeks without sleeping. Rumors claim it is used in the military because it makes people hyper-aware and capable of processing a lot of facts quickly. Would seem to be ideal for SOG troopers and special ops.

I'm looking for Carr's comment about descriptions. I'll post it as soon as I find it.

This what I was referring to with descriptions.


"Folly of physical description." I don't recall who brought this up but I do recall the post. The work that has been conducted on eye witness identification has focused from the traditional aspect of violent crime. A fleeting encounter with a subject who is committing a crime that last less than a minute.

For example, a typical bank robbery (my area of focus) lasts 20 seconds or less. The robber approaches, passes his demand note to the teller, the teller reads, complies and the robber runs out of the bank.

In this situation the tellers get the description wrong most of the time. Not absolutely wrong, but wrong enough that sometimes I can't find on the video the person they described.

The Cooper case was nothing like this. Every person who had contact with Cooper described him consistently. The two individuals who had the most contact with him were separated for the flight, so they had little chance to get together and discuss Cooper. Schaffner got off the plane in Seattle, Mucklow in Reno, both were interviewed that night and gave consistent descriptions.

They described the situation as calm and Cooper as calm, quiet and polite. In fact, Tina described joking with Cooper towards the end of the flight and Schaffner described him as child like. In other words no trauma that would taint the description.

Ralph Hatley (RH-2), Sail, and me:

Sail and I are going to visit Ralph Hatley soon in Eagle Creek, Oregon. We're making plans this weekend.

However, it has become clear to me that some of the previous information of Ralph we had gleaned in the past has been lost, perhaps in the heady glee of anticipation of Jo's Big Announcement.

So, I thought it might be useful to re-post my phone interview with RH-2 from last August. What I find most interesting is Hatley's deep friendship with Earl Cossey and RH-2's authoritative and absolute assuredness of some of the dynamics of the Cooper case. In particular, RH-2 holds that DB Cooper knew what the hell he was doing and was not a jerk who got himself killed.

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I spoke with Ralph Hatley today, Monday, August 25, 2014.

Ralph is a noted, long-time skydiver and owner of a DZ in Eagle Creek, Oregon. He is very familiar with the DB Cooper skyjacking and knows many of the principals in the case. Here are the highlights of the conversation.

“Yes, Earl Cossey and I were good friends,” he told me straightaway. “We made many jumps together.”

Ralph is a no-nonsense kind of guy so I got right to the point about Coss.

“What do you think about his murder?” I asked.

“I think he caught a guy burglarizing his house,” Ralph replied.

“Do you think his murder had anything to do with the DB Cooper case?”

“Absolutely not,” Ralph said, and he began a long soliloquy about Earl Cossey, the rigger and controversial technical expert for the FBI in the Norjak case.

Ralph said that he knew Cossey “quite well,” and they had many conversations about DB Cooper. Essentially, they both felt that Cooper made it to the ground successfully, so much so that he was able to truck out of the woods with all of his gear. Hatley said that he and Cooper never doubted that Cooper had made it, and he stated that all “real” skydivers felt the same.

“Cossey told me the FBI were just a bunch of idiots,” Ralph said, “But a few of them were decent, such as Ralph Himmelsbach, who is a personal friend of mine.

Ralph Hatley continued and said that he had told Ralph Himmelsbach (RH-1) that many of his Norjak theories were “far-fetched,” especially the notion that DB Cooper died in the jump because he was an inexperienced skydiver.

Hatley laughed loud and long when I asked him about DB Cooper, although I wasn't sure why. Nevertheless, Hatley launched another commentary on the skyjacking.

“The night of the skyjacking I was contacted by the feds,” said Hatley. “’Ralph,’ they said, do you know a skydiver named Dan Cooper?’”

“’Sure,” I told them. He’s a guy from Moses Lake.’”
RH-2 said that the feds didn't quite believed him and thought that Cooper died in his getaway, or was too afraid to leave his airplane.

“I was laughing my ass off when the aircraft landed in Reno, sparks flying, and they couldn't find the skyjacker,” said Hatley.

At this point I challenged Ralph about the many statements Earl Cossey made to the media, including during several interviews with me that DB Cooper was an incompetent “no-pull” who cratered into the ground on his getaway jump.

“Bullshit!” Ralph roared. “We all knew that the perpetrator made it.”

In further discussion, Hatley adamantly claimed that Cossey believed DB Cooper made a successful jump.

Along those lines, Hatley said that DB Cooper “had some knowledge.” He said the skyjacking was “well-planned”

“Cooper picked a parachute that was not a regular skydiving parachute. He picked an NB-8 or an NB-6, whatever, and that was smart because it had a rigging card and a rigger’s packing pin, so he knew the chute hadn’t been opened and tracking devices put inside.”

At this point, Ralph became very coy and challenged me to study the flight path and call him after I had a precise understanding of the details. After much prodding, Ralph relented and told me that he felt DB Cooper jumped over Battleground WA, and this location was very fortuitous because it contained a DZ that was owned by Ralph.

“I knew the area very well. I’d made a couple thousand jumps in that area, and I could do it under the same conditions and they’d never find me either.”

Ralph also said that he volunteered to simulate the exact jump – weather, clothing and gear, for a “substantial fee” - but the FBI declined his offer.

Ralph also said that DB Cooper was not alone.

“How do you know that, Ralph?” I asked.

“Well, that’s a long story, and I might tell you if we’re face-to-face and I feel like I’m in a good mood,” he replied, laughing. “But I told Ralph Himmelsbach. My story is impossible to verify, though.”

Ralph also said that the money found at Tina Bar in 1980 was “tossed into the Columbia at the Washougal Bridge.”

At this point I promised to meet with Ralph in the near future to continue our conversations, which seemed to be tip-toeing into delicate areas.


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I agree Georger. A tracking device could have been installed.

Speaking of which, do you know why none were inserted?  There are two reports that seem hard to swallow:

1. Larry says the technology was not available at that time. (Phone interview with me in 2008.)
2. NORAD told McChord not to put tracking devices onto the chutes, according to reporter Adele Ferguson, and somehow that command was transmitted to NWO.

By the way, your attribution of the above quote is incorrect. The quote about the NB-8 or NB-6 chute is from Ralph Hatley, not yours truly. Ralph made the statement in an interview which I have posted here and elsewhere.