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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3120 on: September 08, 2018, 01:36:39 PM »
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It can be rather simple to come to a false conclusion sometimes reading these documents...according to this one I am posting I need to start saying the crew physically witnessed Cooper in the back of the plane at 8:05 and not on the interphone..

This is precisely what I'm talking about. It is clear to me from reading this version that it was hastily and sloppily written. To put it bluntly, the account is wrong when it states the crew saw him last at 8:05. There is an awful lot of this in the files. Therefore, all of these things have to be read critically and often can't be taken literally.
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« Reply #3121 on: September 08, 2018, 01:49:51 PM »
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I also question the veracity of the randomized package sizes. As I noted earlier, it makes no sense and accomplishes nothing. Moreover, a one-off statement about the packages being of random size is questionable. As is a one-off comment about a radio. Neither of these things are corroborated anywhere.

I have read plenty of things in the files that are just flat out wrong and contradicted in other parts of the files. That is not to suggest anything nefarious. Rather, it recognizes that details get changed as things are relayed and conveyed.

Not a one off statement.

The randomized "bundles" to make the ransom look hastily prepared,, has never been in dispute, it has been corroborated from several sources over a long period of time.

This info originated from someone. How is it that several sources have corroborated this and not simply repeated what they heard or read from the single source?

because it was stated by FBI agents early on and confirmed by Bank employee recently.

A bank employee recently stated that he randomized and re (rubber) banded the bundles..

 

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« Reply #3122 on: September 08, 2018, 01:51:43 PM »
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It can be rather simple to come to a false conclusion sometimes reading these documents...according to this one I am posting I need to start saying the crew physically witnessed Cooper in the back of the plane at 8:05 and not on the interphone..

This is precisely what I'm talking about. It is clear to me from reading this version that it was hastily and sloppily written. To put it bluntly, the account is wrong when it states the crew saw him last at 8:05. There is an awful lot of this in the files. Therefore, all of these things have to be read critically and often can't be taken literally.

That particular passage reads fine to me..  "seen" doesn't need to be visual. Others do conflict..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3123 on: September 08, 2018, 01:57:32 PM »
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It can be rather simple to come to a false conclusion sometimes reading these documents...according to this one I am posting I need to start saying the crew physically witnessed Cooper in the back of the plane at 8:05 and not on the interphone..

This is precisely what I'm talking about. It is clear to me from reading this version that it was hastily and sloppily written. To put it bluntly, the account is wrong when it states the crew saw him last at 8:05. There is an awful lot of this in the files. Therefore, all of these things have to be read critically and often can't be taken literally.

That particular passage reads fine to me..  "seen" doesn't need to be visual. Others do conflict..

I completely disagree. The context is clear and unambiguous. "Seen" is "seen," not "heard."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3124 on: September 08, 2018, 04:27:24 PM »
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A bank employee recently stated that he randomized and re (rubber) banded the bundles..

Could also imply the reason the paper bands are missing that Carr speaks about. the main reason for the removal was so Cooper didn't know where the money came from...
 

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« Reply #3125 on: September 08, 2018, 04:54:53 PM »
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A bank employee recently stated that he randomized and re (rubber) banded the bundles..

Could also imply the reason the paper bands are missing that Carr speaks about. the main reason for the removal was so Cooper didn't know where the money came from...

This could also mean that the money itself was "shuffled."

If I'm not mistaken, there were a handful of sequential lots that made up the ransom. I'm not saying that it was literally 001, 002, 003, however, I thought there were a handful of blocks that defined where the ransom came from. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear on this point.

Nonetheless, in order to avoid there being any semblance of order to the bills they may have been randomized (shuffled).
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« Reply #3126 on: September 08, 2018, 05:01:32 PM »
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A bank employee recently stated that he randomized and re (rubber) banded the bundles..

Could also imply the reason the paper bands are missing that Carr speaks about. the main reason for the removal was so Cooper didn't know where the money came from...

Doubt it, they were there or they weren't. Tina's statements also suggests they were there.

The Bank randomized and rebanded the bundles... TBAR packets were not randomized. That alone suggests the packets were part of one bundle.

 

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« Reply #3127 on: September 08, 2018, 05:08:33 PM »
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A bank employee recently stated that he randomized and re (rubber) banded the bundles..

Could also imply the reason the paper bands are missing that Carr speaks about. the main reason for the removal was so Cooper didn't know where the money came from...

This could also mean that the money itself was "shuffled."

If I'm not mistaken, there were a handful of sequential lots that made up the ransom. I'm not saying that it was literally 001, 002, 003, however, I thought there were a handful of blocks that defined where the ransom came from. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear on this point.

Nonetheless, in order to avoid there being any semblance of order to the bills they may have been randomized (shuffled).

No, the bills were circulated, non-sequential, in random order and micro'd prior to NORJAK.

 

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« Reply #3128 on: September 08, 2018, 05:14:19 PM »
Hopefully, Georger will sum all of this up at the conference..it's very possible the money was bundled in multiple packs..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3129 on: September 08, 2018, 05:18:25 PM »
Actually I found the document I was looking for, just can't upload a pic for some reason.

The document appears to indicate that when the FBI photographed the bills that the order of the bills in each packet was also recorded. Therefore, it does not appear that there was any sequential order to the ransom other than that it was originally in 2K packets.
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« Reply #3130 on: September 08, 2018, 05:19:59 PM »
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Hopefully, Georger will sum all of this up at the conference..it's very possible the money was bundled in multiple packs..

Georger notified me yesterday that he probably will not be able to make it after all.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #3131 on: September 08, 2018, 05:29:12 PM »
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Actually I found the document I was looking for, just can't upload a pic for some reason.

The document appears to indicate that when the FBI photographed the bills that the order of the bills in each packet was also recorded. Therefore, it does not appear that there was any sequential order to the ransom other than that it was originally in 2K packets.

Actually, the FBI didn't photograph/Micro the bills, the bank did well before NORJAK...
 

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« Reply #3132 on: September 08, 2018, 05:30:48 PM »
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Actually I found the document I was looking for, just can't upload a pic for some reason.

The document appears to indicate that when the FBI photographed the bills that the order of the bills in each packet was also recorded. Therefore, it does not appear that there was any sequential order to the ransom other than that it was originally in 2K packets.

Actually, the FBI didn't photograph/Micro the bills, the bank did well before NORJAK...

Yes, I'm just saying the order of the bills and the packet to which each bill was assigned was recorded.
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« Reply #3133 on: September 08, 2018, 05:33:17 PM »
Therefore, when the money was discovered on Tena Bar, the FBI merely had to note the top bill and they would already know the serial numbers for the bills underneath that bill even if they weren't legible---which many weren't.
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« Reply #3134 on: September 08, 2018, 05:50:11 PM »
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just can't upload a pic for some reason.

We have a size limit on photo's due to storage capabilities....even though these sites claim to have unlimited space it's not really true..check and see what size the pic is...