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« Reply #3045 on: September 02, 2018, 02:54:18 PM »
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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!  And he would need TWO radios anyway to do something like that.  One radio for him, a duplicate radio with the same frequency for the crew.
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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

needing two depends on the radio..


Cooper might have thought he needed it if he wanted to communicate instructions from the airstairs when jumping..

« Last Edit: September 02, 2018, 03:00:49 PM by FLYJACK »
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?

What are you talking about... there is no explanation.

(unless two) The radio was either for the crew or for Cooper... (yes)

If it wasn't for Cooper then it was for the crew... (yes)


If it was for the crew then why would they need a radio? (with Cooper knowing about it)
« Last Edit: September 02, 2018, 03:44:39 PM by FLYJACK »
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?

What are you talking about... there is no explanation.

(unless two) The radio was either for the crew or for Cooper... (yes)

If it wasn't for Cooper then it was for the crew... (yes)


If it was for the crew then why would they need a radio? (with Cooper knowing about it)

YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION FIRST!  WHY WOULD COOPER NEED A RADIO?  IT WOULD BE WORTHLESS TO HIM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HIJACKING.  IF COOPER DID NEED A RADIO, WHAT KIND OF RADIO?  COULD HE HAVE CARRIED THAT RADIO ON BOARD WITH HIM IN THE PAPER BAG OR EVEN IN THE ATTACHE CASE WITH THE BOMB?
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?

What are you talking about... there is no explanation.

(unless two) The radio was either for the crew or for Cooper... (yes)

If it wasn't for Cooper then it was for the crew... (yes)


If it was for the crew then why would they need a radio? (with Cooper knowing about it)

YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION FIRST!  WHY WOULD COOPER NEED A RADIO?  IT WOULD BE WORTHLESS TO HIM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HIJACKING.  IF COOPER DID NEED A RADIO, WHAT KIND OF RADIO?  COULD HE HAVE CARRIED THAT RADIO ON BOARD WITH HIM IN THE PAPER BAG OR EVEN IN THE ATTACHE CASE WITH THE BOMB?

FLAPHISWAP just wants to flap his wap, R99.  He won't look at the information that's right in front of him.  A troll, a master of confusion.  Shutter giving him all this room to bloviate reminds me of how Quade gave RMB room to do his bloviating.  It's deja vue all over again.  FLAP keeps talking about his opinions as game changers -- game changers for who and what?  This guy needs to go.

Meyer
 

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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?

What are you talking about... there is no explanation.

(unless two) The radio was either for the crew or for Cooper... (yes)

If it wasn't for Cooper then it was for the crew... (yes)


If it was for the crew then why would they need a radio? (with Cooper knowing about it)

YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION FIRST!  WHY WOULD COOPER NEED A RADIO?  IT WOULD BE WORTHLESS TO HIM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HIJACKING.  IF COOPER DID NEED A RADIO, WHAT KIND OF RADIO?  COULD HE HAVE CARRIED THAT RADIO ON BOARD WITH HIM IN THE PAPER BAG OR EVEN IN THE ATTACHE CASE WITH THE BOMB?

Right, I see you don't have an answer so you throw a little tantrum distraction...

It is a simple question.. you can't or won't answer...

WHY WOULD THE CREW NEED A RADIO? (that Cooper knew about)

I checked for perhaps comms with the fuel truck, but the timeline and ground radio discussion contradict that.

.
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The interphone would work just fine and Cooper used it..he would of told them everything was fine on the "radio" vs the interphone..

perhaps R99 can explain the need for a radio...I'm only a sim pilot lol

There was no need for a radio for Cooper to communicate with the cockpit crew.  Hell, he could yell that far!

so, why would the cockpit need a radio? (and Cooper knew about it)

Flyjack, surely you are not so ignorant to believe that the cockpit would not need a radio with the same frequency that Cooper had.  Do you need a TV set to pick up the television stations where ever you live?  You just don't transmit a radio signal and then someone somewhere gets the message without having a receiver that translates the transmitted signal back into an audio or another system that can be comprehended by the person receiving.

adjustable frequencies...

but answer the question.. I'd like to explore this more..

WHY would the crew need a radio?  (that Cooper knew about)

.

Why would the crew need a radio?  This is explained in the comment you are responding to.  Why don't you take a few seconds out of your busy posting schedule to read that comment?

What are you talking about... there is no explanation.

(unless two) The radio was either for the crew or for Cooper... (yes)

If it wasn't for Cooper then it was for the crew... (yes)


If it was for the crew then why would they need a radio? (with Cooper knowing about it)

YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION FIRST!  WHY WOULD COOPER NEED A RADIO?  IT WOULD BE WORTHLESS TO HIM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HIJACKING.  IF COOPER DID NEED A RADIO, WHAT KIND OF RADIO?  COULD HE HAVE CARRIED THAT RADIO ON BOARD WITH HIM IN THE PAPER BAG OR EVEN IN THE ATTACHE CASE WITH THE BOMB?

Right, I see you don't have an answer so you throw a little tantrum distraction...

It is a simple question.. you can't or won't answer...

WHY WOULD THE CREW NEED A RADIO? (that Cooper knew about)

I checked for perhaps comms with the fuel truck, but the timeline and ground radio discussion contradict that.

.

The only tantrum is yours!

POST THE WHOLE DOCUMENT .... why wont you?

You never post any evidence for anything you say. Its just FLYJACK'S word or go fuck youreselves.

Typical gamer crap. Why are you wasting this forum's time?

 



 

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« Reply #3055 on: September 02, 2018, 06:03:20 PM »
Hey Wonder Boy Gamer!

Chug one of your Red Bull energy drinks and POST THE WHOLE DOCUMENT!

Ok BULLJAX/FLYJACK 2013?

PS: you said you were part of the Geoff Gray Gamers and Gamblers site. Thats where you said you got the document, so post it for the world to see! 

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« Reply #3056 on: September 02, 2018, 09:02:52 PM »
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Hey Wonder Boy Gamer!

Chug one of your Red Bull energy drinks and POST THE WHOLE DOCUMENT!

Ok BULLJAX/FLYJACK 2013?

PS: you said you were part of the Geoff Gray Gamers and Gamblers site. Thats where you said you got the document, so post it for the world to see!


I didn't realize you can't find it....  too bad. Do your own homework.
 

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Hey Wonder Boy Gamer!

Chug one of your Red Bull energy drinks and POST THE WHOLE DOCUMENT!

Ok BULLJAX/FLYJACK 2013?

PS: you said you were part of the Geoff Gray Gamers and Gamblers site. Thats where you said you got the document, so post it for the world to see!


I didn't realize you can't find it....  too bad. Do your own homework.

So now we have to do your work for you too! ? Figures.  You get to post your bs and we have to prove it for you!

That sounds like a gamer's solution where there are no rules except for your rules - and Shutter doesnt care!

Perfect arrangement for a con artist.  :congrats:   :rofl: 
 

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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands
. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

As I have explained elsewhere, Ckret eventually went beyond his interview with the bank security manager (mentioned above) and he found and interviewed the bank employee who did the final assembly of the bundles, wrapped with one or more rubber bands, and placed the the bank bag for delivery to Cooper. I can produce the name of that individual. I and several others were notified that Ckret was going to contact that individual and we waited for Ckret's report. Brian Ingram's mother was also contacted to get her (new) statement about bands vs paper straps. Why was all of this being revisited at all - because lab work and people at several universities were waiting for the results. The results from Ckret's conversation with Mrs Ingram came back first - answer: rubber bands. The Ingrams had not encountered anything like paper straps. Finally Ckret's re-interview of the bank employee came back - results: he had wrapped each "bundle" with one or more rubber bands, no paper straps involved.

With those results people were notified and lab work work was scheduled.

Note* the word "bundle" is used above. No mention of packets or packages or any other word but "bundle". The bank employee who assembled the money also used the word "bundles" or "each bundle".

What matters here is how the bank employee assembled the money into groups. You can call these groups bundles or packets or packages or whatever word you want to use. Each group was held together by one or more rubber bands, and no paper straps were involved - period.   

Nothing there is inconsistent with what I have been saying.

Money is paper banded in packets of 100 bills = $2000 (SeaFirst FBI doc)
Packets are rubber banded into bundles of 5 packets = $10,000 (standard practice)
Bank guy randomized and rebands the bundles (Bank employee statement)
Tina's statement "small packages with bank-type bands around each package"
One bundle of 3 packets lands on TBAR
The paper bands disintegrate quickly 2-4 months.
As the rubber bands break apart the 3 packets separate slightly

The Ingrams find rubber band fragments stuck to the money, crumble to touch. There is no evidence confirming location of those band fragments on the money. Many vague statements form Ingrams.

3 Packets are found as 100 bills = $2000..(exactly as they started) they were not randomized. If they were not randomized then it must have been the bundles that were randomized and rebanded.. exactly as the Bank employee stated.


If the 3 TBAR packets were part of ONE BUNDLE when they arrived at TBAR then that is a game changer.

.

Again you offer no proof for any of your points above. You even claim that "Packets are rubber banded into bundles of 5 packets = $10,000 (standard practice)" at all banks!

Play it again Sam.

You even claim to know more about what banks do than banks I spoke with know and do!

Ah well ... some people know it all. And claim everything.

The game changer is that Shutter allows this BS on his forum.  And the rest of us have to suck it up or leave.

I declare you and Shutter the winners. Congrats!  O0



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« Reply #3059 on: September 03, 2018, 12:11:26 AM »
CONSOLAN. Not of much use to Cooper. I used CONSOLAN. It required a fairly sensitive receiver that could tune BELOW the AM broadcast band. Such radios in a portable format were rather uncommon in the US but did exist. Easy to use, but you needed a map to make sense of the info. By 71 CONSOLAN was very obsolete. There was only one West coast station which I seem to recall was located at Hamilton AFB in Marin County lesst than 20 miles from SF. We couldn’t reliably receive the only other US station which was located at Nantucket MA. So we never got “fixes” just a bearing on the SF Bay Area station. Without a cross bearing (normally impossible because you couldn’t hear a second station) you don’t know your position. I never heard any of the European stations. There were several in Norway.

OMEGA. Used this too. Big receivers. Not portable in 71. Needed OMEGA maps that showed “lanes”. Not practical for Cooper to have used for spotting a jump.

TRANSIT. A USN SATNAV system that preceded GPS. It used non geostationary sats that passed several times a day. The receivers were too big to carry by hand. You only got fixes every few hours when a sat passed within reception range. It never provided constant position info the way GPS does. Totally impracticalfor spotting a jump.

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