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I want to go back to a something that got buried by the TBAR bundle stuff..

I found this in the FBI files..

"TINA then asked the hijacker if she should go out and get the maps, food and radio, to which he replied in the affirmative."

Cooper got a radio delivered?

Any info on this??

In the 1971 time frame, there was no radio available that would have been of any use to Cooper during his jump or that could have assisted him in determining his location.

What could it have been? some type of military radio? ground communications? police? portable VHF/UHF? Classic ROCK.. the NEWS..

Earlier he had warned the crew about using the radio because it might set off the bomb... most certainly BS..


1971 portable VHF/UHF radio..

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Flyjack, this is just more of your nonsense.  There were at least three VHF (no UHF band) radio communications transceivers in the cockpit of the airliner and at least two of them were in constant use.  There was at least one and probably two DME sets (UHF band I think) which were sending and receiving constantly.  There was at least one and probably two transponders (UHF band) with one of them sending and receiving constantly.  There were at least two VHF band navigation receivers, at least two ADF receivers, and at least one and probably two marker beacon receivers.  With all this transmitting and receiving, if the "bomb" was sensitive to radio emissions, the plane would have probably blown up before it even got out to the runway in Portland.

I think I can say that the FBI would have been DELIGHTED, absolutely DELIGHTED, to give Cooper a police radio.  10-4 good buddy, etc., etc., how do you read, what's you handle?

To repeat, there were no electronic devices that would have been useful to Cooper in the conduct of this hijacking.

For electronic devices that would have been useful, 377 can probably provide an estimate of their weight, volumes, and power requirements.  But just guessing, I would estimate they would have been about the weight and volume of the money bag as an absolute minimum and probably needed to be plugged into a house electrical system to operate.

I was trying to give flyjack some more info about omega

I wasnt implying anything about its usefulness

Found it >> CONSOL system or called CONSOLAN in US


All you needed was a simple radio receiver,, it would be a sequence of timed dashes and dots to give position.

An expert could just hear them and calculate position.


It was from WW2, but first introduced in the US 1961 Miami covering the North and South Atlantic, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Caribbean, in addition to strengthening coverage of the U.S. east coast.

BOOM....
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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

To the extent this is accurate, it appears to have settled the matter about the use of paper bands versus rubber bands.

The outstanding question would then be: Were the three packets found in Tena Bar formerly banded together as one bundle?

I must say that I haven't read anything that indicates that the three packets were anything other than three separate packets that were found buried together. Needless to say, any theory about the money find is gong to have to explain how three separate packets end up buried together (denoting order) when things tend to naturally breakdown into disorder.

Why would they be! No evidence they were. No evidence from the person we interviewed that they were. Why even bring it up?

Do you think the man who assembled the bundles was drinking Coke or coffee? We dont know! so why bring it up? Had he had a bath that day? ..................................................................................... was he a father? ............................................................. did he have a college degree? ..................................... what kind of car did he drive Chevy or Ford?............................................................ how tall was he? ....................................

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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

To the extent this is accurate, it appears to have settled the matter about the use of paper bands versus rubber bands.

The outstanding question would then be: Were the three packets found in Tena Bar formerly banded together as one bundle?

I must say that I haven't read anything that indicates that the three packets were anything other than three separate packets that were found buried together. Needless to say, any theory about the money find is gong to have to explain how three separate packets end up buried together (denoting order) when things tend to naturally breakdown into disorder.

It doesn't settle it.. that is Ckret's opinion based on a discussion 40 years later which he confused bundles with packets and got the randomization wrong. Ckret's hearsay is completely unreliable on this issue.. Tina's statement contradicts Ckret's opinion. Her statement used the same language as the SeaFirst bank did.

For Ckret to be correct the TBAR packets had to be randomized, they weren't.

However, the paper vs rubber bands is really a secondary argument..


The more important point is the TBAR packets,, logic and evidence suggest they arrived as a single banded bundle and that is a game changer.

Only to you, in your head - nowhere else!

You expect people to go with your claims of pseudo logic vs actual research we did? 

Have your press secretary explain it to us .........   

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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

As I have explained elsewhere, Ckret eventually went beyond his interview with the bank security manager (mentioned above) and he found and interviewed the bank employee who did the final assembly of the bundles, wrapped with one or more rubber bands, and placed the the bank bag for delivery to Cooper. I can produce the name of that individual. I and several others were notified that Ckret was going to contact that individual and we waited for Ckret's report. Brian Ingram's mother was also contacted to get her (new) statement about bands vs paper straps. Why was all of this being revisited at all - because lab work and people at several universities were waiting for the results. The results from Ckret's conversation with Mrs Ingram came back first - answer: rubber bands. The Ingrams had not encountered anything like paper straps. Finally Ckret's re-interview of the bank employee came back - results: he had wrapped each "bundle" with one or more rubber bands, no paper straps involved.

With those results people were notified and lab work work was scheduled.

Note* the word "bundle" is used above. No mention of packets or packages or any other word but "bundle". The bank employee who assembled the money also used the word "bundles" or "each bundle".

What matters here is how the bank employee assembled the money into groups. You can call these groups bundles or packets or packages or whatever word you want to use. Each group was held together by one or more rubber bands, and no paper straps were involved - period.   

Nothing there is inconsistent with what I have been saying.

Money is paper banded in packets of 100 bills = $2000 (SeaFirst FBI doc)
Packets are rubber banded into bundles of 5 packets = $10,000 (standard practice)
Bank guy randomized and rebands the bundles (Bank employee statement)
Tina's statement "small packages with bank-type bands around each package"
One bundle of 3 packets lands on TBAR
The paper bands disintegrate quickly 2-4 months.
As the rubber bands break apart the 3 packets separate slightly

The Ingrams find rubber band fragments stuck to the money, crumble to touch. There is no evidence confirming location of those band fragments on the money. Many vague statements form Ingrams.

3 Packets are found as 100 bills = $2000..(exactly as they started) they were not randomized. If they were not randomized then it must have been the bundles that were randomized and rebanded.. exactly as the Bank employee stated.


If the 3 TBAR packets were part of ONE BUNDLE when they arrived at TBAR then that is a game changer.

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Nothing there is inconsistent with what I have been saying.

Money is paper banded in packets of 100 bills = $2000 (SeaFirst FBI doc)
Packets are rubber banded into bundles of 5 packets = $10,000 (standard practice)
Bank guy randomized and rebands the bundles (Bank employee statement)
Tina's statement "small packages with bank-type bands around each package"
One bundle of 3 packets lands on TBAR
The paper bands disintegrate quickly 2-4 months.
As the rubber bands break apart the 3 packets separate slightly


This is the core of your argument. Your points are either true or false.

I did..  can't you read..

I guess your crack research skills missed it...

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