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The money was randomized by Bank people just before delivery to Cooper. That isn't in dispute. I guess if the money is too neat Cooper may suspect that it is marked.. hastily prepared less likely.

I believe it was the bundles that were randomized not the packets.. as the TBAR packets weren't random counts.

It doesn't matter for your SP theory, but if the 3 packets arrived as one one bundle then a container or personal placement is not necessary. It opens up the means by which the money could have arrived with the 3 packets so close together. This is actually very significant.


Ckret

Jan 30, 2008, 6:44 PM
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The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and handed over to NWA. The money was bundled in various counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered.

Well while I won't outright dispute it, I will question it. After all, it doesn't make sense and accomplishes nothing. Furthermore, outside of CKRET posting about it, how do we know the packets--regardless of the context--were actually randomized in varying amounts? CKRET has stated things before which are flat out wrong--dummy reserve was sewn shut, Cooper didn't demand 15 degree flap setting, to name two.

The ironic thing is that a single bundle makes all of the scenarios that I summarized above more plausible. To be sure, three individual bundles makes a couple of them virtually impossible.

Duuuuh you must of missed it in the 12363537398 postings of it. Now pay attention!

Ckret was not the only person to talk to bank officials.
Ckret was not the only person to talk to bank officials.
Ckret was not the only person to talk to bank officials.
Ckret was not the only person to talk to bank officials.

FLYJACK HAS NEVER TALKED TO ANY BANK OFFICIALS! He pretends it does not matter and prays nobody notices.

FLYJACK says I, Kaye, Ingram, Ckret, etal are all liars .... <edit> and make stuff up. Stuff.... stuff like stuff ... whatever stuff is. You know. Everyone knows what stuff is! Make sure you include STUFF in the conference. Siz hours on stuff.

FLYJACK can point you at it on Dropzone.

If he wont its because he wants it buried.         

Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

As I have explained elsewhere, Ckret eventually went beyond his interview with the bank security manager (mentioned above) and he found and interviewed the bank employee who did the final assembly of the bundles, wrapped with one or more rubber bands, and placed the the bank bag for delivery to Cooper. I can produce the name of that individual. I and several others were notified that Ckret was going to contact that individual and we waited for Ckret's report. Brian Ingram's mother was also contacted to get her (new) statement about bands vs paper straps. Why was all of this being revisited at all - because lab work and people at several universities were waiting for the results. The results from Ckret's conversation with Mrs Ingram came back first - answer: rubber bands. The Ingrams had not encountered anything like paper straps. Finally Ckret's re-interview of the bank employee came back - results: he had wrapped each "bundle" with one or more rubber bands, no paper straps involved.

With those results people were notified and lab work work was scheduled.

Note* the word "bundle" is used above. No mention of packets or packages or any other word but "bundle". The bank employee who assembled the money also used the word "bundles" or "each bundle".

What matters here is how the bank employee assembled the money into groups. You can call these groups bundles or packets or packages or whatever word you want to use. Each group was held together by one or more rubber bands, and no paper straps were involved - period.   

Rubber bands --- got it.   Is it possible, then, that several packets, like three, got bundled together with bigger rubber bands?  My former student/bank manager says it's common for a "brick" to be bundled together with 2 rubber bands at each end of the brick.  That would help packets of money  to stay together better -- and may help explain why the three packets at Tina Bar were stacked together.  Bundled bricks would have a better chance of surviving the bulldozing/backhoe activity that occurred at Tina Bar after the dredging.

Meyer

Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

To the extent this is accurate, it appears to have settled the matter about the use of paper bands versus rubber bands.

The outstanding question would then be: Were the three packets found in Tena Bar formerly banded together as one bundle?

I must say that I haven't read anything that indicates that the three packets were anything other than three separate packets that were found buried together. Needless to say, any theory about the money find is gong to have to explain how three separate packets end up buried together (denoting order) when things tend to naturally breakdown into disorder.

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Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

As I have explained elsewhere, Ckret eventually went beyond his interview with the bank security manager (mentioned above) and he found and interviewed the bank employee who did the final assembly of the bundles, wrapped with one or more rubber bands, and placed the the bank bag for delivery to Cooper. I can produce the name of that individual. I and several others were notified that Ckret was going to contact that individual and we waited for Ckret's report. Brian Ingram's mother was also contacted to get her (new) statement about bands vs paper straps. Why was all of this being revisited at all - because lab work and people at several universities were waiting for the results. The results from Ckret's conversation with Mrs Ingram came back first - answer: rubber bands. The Ingrams had not encountered anything like paper straps. Finally Ckret's re-interview of the bank employee came back - results: he had wrapped each "bundle" with one or more rubber bands, no paper straps involved.

With those results people were notified and lab work work was scheduled.

Note* the word "bundle" is used above. No mention of packets or packages or any other word but "bundle". The bank employee who assembled the money also used the word "bundles" or "each bundle".

What matters here is how the bank employee assembled the money into groups. You can call these groups bundles or packets or packages or whatever word you want to use. Each group was held together by one or more rubber bands, and no paper straps were involved - period.   

Nothing there is inconsistent with what I have been saying.

Money is paper banded in packets of 100 bills = $2000 (SeaFirst FBI doc)
Packets are rubber banded into bundles of 5 packets = $10,000 (standard practice)
Bank guy randomized and rebands the bundles (Bank employee statement)
Tina's statement "small packages with bank-type bands around each package"
One bundle of 3 packets lands on TBAR
The paper bands disintegrate quickly 2-4 months.
As the rubber bands break apart the 3 packets separate slightly

The Ingrams find rubber band fragments stuck to the money, crumble to touch. There is no evidence confirming location of those band fragments on the money. Many vague statements form Ingrams.

3 Packets are found as 100 bills = $2000..(exactly as they started) they were not randomized. If they were not randomized then it must have been the bundles that were randomized and rebanded.. exactly as the Bank employee stated.


If the 3 TBAR packets were part of ONE BUNDLE when they arrived at TBAR then that is a game changer.

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I want to go back to a something that got buried by the TBAR bundle stuff..

I found this in the FBI files..

"TINA then asked the hijacker if she should go out and get the maps, food and radio, to which he replied in the affirmative."

Cooper got a radio delivered?

Any info on this??

In the 1971 time frame, there was no radio available that would have been of any use to Cooper during his jump or that could have assisted him in determining his location.

I want to go back to a something that got buried by the TBAR bundle stuff..

I found this in the FBI files..

"TINA then asked the hijacker if she should go out and get the maps, food and radio, to which he replied in the affirmative."

Cooper got a radio delivered?

Any info on this??

Can you direct me to this FBI file?