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FLYJACK · « **Reply #2940 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:02:41 PM »

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It would be rare for an American to say that, it would be rare for a foreigner to not say it.

Tom Kaye agrees,, it may be indicative of a foreign influence.

Robert99 · « **Reply #2941 on:** August 29, 2018, 09:35:43 PM »

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It may also be indicative of an American who had just returned from spending a considerable amount of time in another country and hadn't dealt with American currency lately.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2942 on:** August 29, 2018, 10:36:10 PM »

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True, could be.

georger · « **Reply #2943 on:** August 29, 2018, 11:52:54 PM »

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However "negotiable American currency" came to be "in one record" but not in other records, a foreign country was in play - Mexico. There was even a discussion about destinations ... "no we aren't going to Cuba" (remember that said by Cooper in reply to Tina?). Foreign countries were in focus in all discussions about destination. American currency is "negotiable" in all of the countries discussed. There is no quote attributed to Cooper saying ""negotiable American currency"" whereas he did say "no funny stuff" and "get the show on the road". The context for ""negotiable American currency"" is in the destinations being discussed and nothing else.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2944 on:** August 30, 2018, 12:02:12 AM »

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You are wrong, you made the same arg before.. and the same error.

FACT - "Negotiable American Currency" was requested well before Cuba or Mexico was ever mentioned.. look at the timeline. No foreign country was in play when Cooper made his demand.

I also found another reference in FBI files "He later told Tina that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency,"

there is at least one other reference to "American" currency but I can't find it right now.

Larry Carr - "Negotiable American Currency"
Tom Kaye - "Negotiable American Currency"

Now, it is possible Cooper never said it, but likely he did and it "suggests" a foreign influence.

georger · « **Reply #2945 on:** August 30, 2018, 12:26:31 AM »

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When you start "you are wrong" I fell compelled not to reply at all! But I will.

I agree: "it "suggests" a foreign influence."

The influence or grammatical referent was 'foreign destinations being discussed'. Nobody suggested 'pay him in rubles', pay him in pesos, pay him in Shekels. That is probably where Negotiable American Currency connects. There is no clear cut claim that these words came out of Cooper's mouth. If there was such evidence this would be an entirely different matter.

BTW it was Carol Abrakadabra who pulled these words out of the hat and attributed them to Cooper - not Tom! Tom just got on board with it. Who knows what Tom believes ...

If Cooper had said "I want to go to Kearney, Nebraska do you seriously think Negotiable American Currency would have ever come up? It actually might have out of the mind and mouth of some mindless bureaucrat! Then we would be arguing about the Germans in Kearney, Nebraska and was Cooper German!

This will never be settled. Feel free to twist it however you like - you will in any event!

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2946 on:** August 30, 2018, 01:20:49 AM »

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The foreign destinations came about later, it wasn't the context. That isn't a valid point.

Either Cooper said it or the crew added it, Tina claimed he reiterated demands as "U.S. currency" to her later..

If Cooper didn't say it then why did the crew add it?

It is much more likely that he did say it than the crew adding it. Then Tina confirming he told her "U.S." currency..

It is funny, I accept the possibility that he may not have said it, but everyone else entirely rejects the possibility that he could have said it.

The goal isn't settling it. The goal is to evaluate the probabilities and explore the ramifications. Outright rejection based on an opinion will only handcuff your thinking.

georger · « **Reply #2947 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:03:23 PM »

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Thanks for the lessons in pedagogy. It's always good to have a Cooper Counselor around; that knows everything about everything.

Should some of us give up on Cooper college and look more toward welding or garbage pickup for the City, or service occupations?

What do your test scores on us reveal?

Do you plan to attend the Conference in Portland this Fall. Are you on the speakers list?

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2948 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:15:08 PM »

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Meh,, I just pointed out your arg is not supported by the timeline...

if you want to stick to it go ahead...
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georger · « **Reply #2949 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:16:50 PM »

Your post on this in 2013:

FLYJACK

Dec 27, 2013, 7:05 AM
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"negotiable American currency" [In reply to]
"negotiable American currency",,

Only a foreigner would use that phrase..

Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic..

We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker.

Some crazy thoughts,
Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"?

Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers?

Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak?

from Kaye
"the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent"

georger · « **Reply #2950 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:18:43 PM »

Your second post on this same day -

I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable..

As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic.

So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative.

georger · « **Reply #2951 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:22:39 PM »

Smokin99 replies to the above -

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Re: [smokin99] "negotiable American currency" [In reply to]
smokin99 wrote:
FLYJACK wrote:
"negotiable American currency",,

Only a foreigner would use that phrase..

Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic..

We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker.

Some crazy thoughts,
Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"?

Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers?

Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak?

from Kaye
"the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent"

...

Not sure where Bruce got his information from..but...

The phrase..from the flight crew's handwritten notes written during the hijacking....was "negotiable currency".

The transcript (305 talking) has the phrase "Wants money in negotiable American currency. Denomination not important".

I will be the first to attest that it is hard to keep all of this stuff straight with all of the misinformation that has been reported over the years.

Yes, if the hijacker did in fact use that phrase, he would have been a foreigner, so that phrase has to be explained ex the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. Bruce suggested that it was interjected by the crew,, however, that makes less sense as they are all American,, Why would someone other than the hijacker use that phrase??

Something is fishy here?? you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that the crew added it when they are all American AND argue the hijacker didn't say it because he had to be American.

I can't see why an American crew would add the phrase and if they didn't then it came from the hijacker and if the hijacker said it, he is very likely a foreigner.

In other words, it is LESS likely that the crew added the phrase than it coming from the hijacker.

Edit,, Bruce didn't go into detail, but he felt that the phrase didn't come from the hijacker. it was interpreted by the crew.. My deal is, you have to explain away that phrase coming from the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. If you can't explain it away, it points to a foreigner. The explanation is weaker than the phrase coming from the hijacker.

(This post was edited by FLYJACK on Dec 27, 2013, 7:50 AM)

georger · « **Reply #2952 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:23:54 PM »

Smokin99 replies to Fly's reply -



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Re: [FLYJACK] "negotiable American currency" [In reply to]
FLYJACK wrote:
smokin99 wrote:
FLYJACK wrote:
"negotiable American currency",,

Only a foreigner would use that phrase..

Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic..

We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker.

Some crazy thoughts,
Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"?

Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers?

Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak?

from Kaye
"the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent"

...

Not sure where Bruce got his information from..but...

The phrase..from the flight crew's handwritten notes written during the hijacking....was "negotiable currency".

The transcript (305 talking) has the phrase "Wants money in negotiable American currency. Denomination not important".

I will be the first to attest that it is hard to keep all of this stuff straight with all of the misinformation that has been reported over the years.

Yes, if the hijacker did in fact use that phrase, he would have been a foreigner, so that phrase has to be explained ex the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. Bruce suggested that it was interjected by the crew,, however, that makes less sense as they are all American,, Why would someone other than the hijacker use that phrase??

Something is fishy here?? you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that the crew added it when they are all American AND argue the hijacker didn't say it because he had to be American.

I can't see why an American crew would add the phrase and if they didn't then it came from the hijacker and if the hijacker said it, he is very likely a foreigner.

In other words, it is LESS likely that the crew added the phrase than it coming from the hijacker.

I hate it when people edit their original posts AFTER I have responded and i see I just did the same thing. Sorry...

I am reposting my edit......

Edited to add....Bruce has interviewed a lot of folks...was he saying that this was something the crew wrote or said in two different places that the hijacker didn't actually say?
(referring to "negotiable currency" from notes and "negotiable American currency" from transcript)

OR... was he just contesting the use of the word "American" and saying the hijacker only said "negotiable currency" as per the notes?

lol...never mind.....I see you did it too.. WinkCool

(This post was edited by smokin99 on Dec 27, 2013, 7:52 AM)

georger · « **Reply #2953 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:25:45 PM »

Fly replies to Smokin's last reply - it goes on forever - strap yourself in!

What computes is your lack of understanding the context..

Somebody, used "American" currency somewhere in the chain, WHY if they're all presumably American..

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FLYJACK · « **Reply #2954 on:** August 30, 2018, 02:55:16 PM »

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So, your point is what?

I thought it was significant 5 years ago.. and it still is..

Your timeline is still as wrong as it was years ago when I first pointed the error out to you..

You got caught throwing out a faulty premise TWICE and just can't admit it because then you only have an opinion to support your bias. Admitting you got it wrong is a sign of strength.

Reposting a bunch of old posts out of context in a weird attempt at a personalized attack doesn't hide that fact.

But, who cares what you think... done with your juvenile games and distractions.

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