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If Cooper knew it couldn't fly nonstop to MEX then he would have also known the pilots would not even attempt it. Why make an unachievable demand that would have clearly been rejected. That makes NO sense.
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Flyjack, you have made the above claim several times.  Now you are denying that you made them.

Sorry R99, I just don't see any conflict in my statements. (the pilot's would not attempt the flight NONSTOP)

I was exposing the bad counter argument using IF..  demonstrating that is doesn't make sense.

IF Cooper knew the destination was not achievable nonstop then he would have known that the pilot's would not have attempted an unachievable NONSTOP flight to Mexico. It would have to be renegotiated and it was.

So, clearly, he believed that Mexico nonstop was achievable when he made the demand.



If I am correct on this and I believe so, then this is a NORJAK game changer..

The long term and widely held assumption that Cooper must have known that the plane couldn't make it nonstop to Mexico is based on NOTHING.

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OF COURSE THE PILOTS WOULD NOT ATTEMPT A NONSTOP FLIGHT THAT THEY KNEW WAS BEYOND THE CAPABILITIES OF THE AIRCRAFT!  WHAT KIND OF TWISTED LOGIC WOULD LEAD YOU TO CONCLUDE OTHERWISE?

JEEEZUS,,  that was my point. I NEVER concluded otherwise...  You completely fail to grasp the logic here and your own failed assumption.

If Cooper knew NONSTOP to Mexico was unachievable then he would have known that the pilot's would not have attempted it.. so WHY WOULD HE SAY A DESTINATION HE KNEW HAD TO BE RENEGOTIATED.. HE WOULDN'T..

He said it because he believed it.

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..he asked for "American" currency.. suggests his destination was outside the US

This point is debatable, Fly. We simply don't know if DB Cooper actually said, "American" currency.

One 302 says that Tina stated that he simply asked for 200 grand "in cash." Other interpretations of what he said also exist, such as Flo's note that he as for "negotiable American currency," in one of her cockpit writings.

As with most evidence of variable certitude, we need to consider all possibilities.

Correct, it is debatable..  almost everything is.. I used the term "suggests" not "confirms"... both the stew noted and pilots noted "American" currency.. it is possible it was added but unlikely.

I have heard the repeated claim that the crew added it but that doesn't really work...

If the the crew were all American why would they add "American" to currency...

the logic doesn't work..

Either Cooper said it or the American crew added it, which is more likely..

Adding "American" to currency suggests a foreign influence.. if Cooper didn't say it then why would an American crew add it. They wouldn't.

Think this through, the arg.. Cooper didn't add it because there was no foreign influence but the American crew with no foreign influence did add it.

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..he asked for "American" currency.. suggests his destination was outside the US

This point is debatable, Fly. We simply don't know if DB Cooper actually said, "American" currency.

One 302 says that Tina stated that he simply asked for 200 grand "in cash." Other interpretations of what he said also exist, such as Flo's note that he as for "negotiable American currency," in one of her cockpit writings.

As with most evidence of variable certitude, we need to consider all possibilities.

Correct, it is debatable..  almost everything is.. I used the term "suggests" not "confirms"... both the stew noted and pilots noted "American" currency.. it is possible it was added but unlikely.

I have heard the repeated claim that the crew added it but that doesn't really work...

If the the crew were all American why would they add "American" to currency...

the logic doesn't work..

Either Cooper said it or the American crew added it, which is more likely..

Adding "American" to currency suggests a foreign influence.. if Cooper didn't say it then why would an American crew add it. They wouldn't.

Think this through, the arg.. Cooper didn't add it because there was no foreign influence but the American crew with no foreign influence did add it.

The phrase "negotiable American currency" has never been an issue for me. It is a term that I--an American--would use if I wanted money that was not compromised in some manner. In other words, money that could be spent.

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..he asked for "American" currency.. suggests his destination was outside the US

This point is debatable, Fly. We simply don't know if DB Cooper actually said, "American" currency.

One 302 says that Tina stated that he simply asked for 200 grand "in cash." Other interpretations of what he said also exist, such as Flo's note that he as for "negotiable American currency," in one of her cockpit writings.

As with most evidence of variable certitude, we need to consider all possibilities.

Correct, it is debatable..  almost everything is.. I used the term "suggests" not "confirms"... both the stew noted and pilots noted "American" currency.. it is possible it was added but unlikely.

I have heard the repeated claim that the crew added it but that doesn't really work...

If the the crew were all American why would they add "American" to currency...

the logic doesn't work..

Either Cooper said it or the American crew added it, which is more likely..

Adding "American" to currency suggests a foreign influence.. if Cooper didn't say it then why would an American crew add it. They wouldn't.

Think this through, the arg.. Cooper didn't add it because there was no foreign influence but the American crew with no foreign influence did add it.

The phrase "negotiable American currency" has never been an issue for me. It is a term that I--an American--would use if I wanted money that was not compromised in some manner. In other words, money that could be spent.

So, when you go to the bank you ask for "American" currency...

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Depends upon the bank.

In the US I wouldn't expect the money to be compromised, so, no.

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..he asked for "American" currency.. suggests his destination was outside the US

This point is debatable, Fly. We simply don't know if DB Cooper actually said, "American" currency.

One 302 says that Tina stated that he simply asked for 200 grand "in cash." Other interpretations of what he said also exist, such as Flo's note that he as for "negotiable American currency," in one of her cockpit writings.

As with most evidence of variable certitude, we need to consider all possibilities.

Correct, it is debatable..  almost everything is.. I used the term "suggests" not "confirms"... both the stew noted and pilots noted "American" currency.. it is possible it was added but unlikely.

I have heard the repeated claim that the crew added it but that doesn't really work...

If the the crew were all American why would they add "American" to currency...

the logic doesn't work..

Either Cooper said it or the American crew added it, which is more likely..

Adding "American" to currency suggests a foreign influence.. if Cooper didn't say it then why would an American crew add it. They wouldn't.

Think this through, the arg.. Cooper didn't add it because there was no foreign influence but the American crew with no foreign influence did add it.

The phrase "negotiable American currency" has never been an issue for me. It is a term that I--an American--would use if I wanted money that was not compromised in some manner. In other words, money that could be spent.

So, when you go to the bank you ask for "American" currency...

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Depends upon the bank.

In the US I wouldn't expect the money to be compromised, so, no.

So, you'd expect hijacking a plane in the US to something other than US currency?
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..he asked for "American" currency.. suggests his destination was outside the US

This point is debatable, Fly. We simply don't know if DB Cooper actually said, "American" currency.

One 302 says that Tina stated that he simply asked for 200 grand "in cash." Other interpretations of what he said also exist, such as Flo's note that he as for "negotiable American currency," in one of her cockpit writings.

As with most evidence of variable certitude, we need to consider all possibilities.

Correct, it is debatable..  almost everything is.. I used the term "suggests" not "confirms"... both the stew noted and pilots noted "American" currency.. it is possible it was added but unlikely.

I have heard the repeated claim that the crew added it but that doesn't really work...

If the the crew were all American why would they add "American" to currency...

the logic doesn't work..

Either Cooper said it or the American crew added it, which is more likely..

Adding "American" to currency suggests a foreign influence.. if Cooper didn't say it then why would an American crew add it. They wouldn't.

Think this through, the arg.. Cooper didn't add it because there was no foreign influence but the American crew with no foreign influence did add it.

The phrase "negotiable American currency" has never been an issue for me. It is a term that I--an American--would use if I wanted money that was not compromised in some manner. In other words, money that could be spent.

So, when you go to the bank you ask for "American" currency...

.

Depends upon the bank.

In the US I wouldn't expect the money to be compromised, so, no.

So, you'd expect hijacking a plane in the US to something other than US currency?
.

Again, I could see myself being very specific about my demands and emphasizing negotiable American currency. No funny stuff.

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If Cooper knew it couldn't fly nonstop to MEX then he would have also known the pilots would not even attempt it. Why make an unachievable demand that would have clearly been rejected. That makes NO sense.
.

Flyjack, you have made the above claim several times.  Now you are denying that you made them.

Sorry R99, I just don't see any conflict in my statements. (the pilot's would not attempt the flight NONSTOP)

I was exposing the bad counter argument using IF..  demonstrating that is doesn't make sense.

IF Cooper knew the destination was not achievable nonstop then he would have known that the pilot's would not have attempted an unachievable NONSTOP flight to Mexico. It would have to be renegotiated and it was.

So, clearly, he believed that Mexico nonstop was achievable when he made the demand.



If I am correct on this and I believe so, then this is a NORJAK game changer..

The long term and widely held assumption that Cooper must have known that the plane couldn't make it nonstop to Mexico is based on NOTHING.

..

OF COURSE THE PILOTS WOULD NOT ATTEMPT A NONSTOP FLIGHT THAT THEY KNEW WAS BEYOND THE CAPABILITIES OF THE AIRCRAFT!  WHAT KIND OF TWISTED LOGIC WOULD LEAD YOU TO CONCLUDE OTHERWISE?

JEEEZUS,,  that was my point. I NEVER concluded otherwise...  You completely fail to grasp the logic here and your own failed assumption.

If Cooper knew NONSTOP to Mexico was unachievable then he would have known that the pilot's would not have attempted it.. so WHY WOULD HE SAY A DESTINATION HE KNEW HAD TO BE RENEGOTIATED.. HE WOULDN'T..

He said it because he believed it.

Because the pilots would not attempt a nonstop flight that was beyond the capability of their aircraft, they had to land somewhere to refuel and Reno was their choice.  Cooper agreed to the Reno stop but he gave no indication at all that he would be on the aircraft when it landed there.

Yes, of course.. that has nothing to with his initial intentions...

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