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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #270 on: October 12, 2014, 01:08:26 AM »
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Thanks R99. I wish I had a powerful microscope. you can get swirl metal also from drilling. I would like to see what the remains look like on a drill press after drilling tough metals.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #271 on: October 23, 2014, 05:17:39 PM »
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This is directly from Gray's website....

Over the years, there have been many D.B. Cooper sketches. There’s the Bing Crosby sketch, released shortly after the hijacking; the one that followed that; the aged depiction of Cooper; all are different in their own ways, have merit in their own ways, and were based on the recollection of three witnesses: Stewardesses Tina Mucklow, Florence Schaffner, and Alice Hancock, who worked in first class.

One witness, however, that was not interviewed by Bureau artists was Robert Gregory, owner of a paint company in Seattle, who sat directly across from the hijacker in row 18. While stewardesses Mucklow and Schaffner were closest to the hijacker and Mucklow spent the longest time with him, Gregory was the most detailed and specific in his observations, according to the Bureau case files.

For instance, Gregory noticed the sunglasses the hijacker was wearing had “horned-rims” and the suit jacket the hijacker was wearing had “wide lapels.” Working with paints, Gregory was likely an expert in picking out colors. According to the Cooper case files, Gregory believed the hijacker’s suit was not black or brown as had been suggested, but was a different shade entirely: “russet.”

Most critically, Gregory described the hijacker’s hair in a very specific way: “Marcelled,” an old French style of creating curls with hot irons. The observation of “marcelled” hair is critical in the case because stewardesses’ Mucklow and Schaffner described the hijacker’s hair as straight. There was one witness though who did back up Gregory’s claim of curly hair: Alice Hancock, the first class stew, who described the hijacker’s hair as “wavy.”

Attached is a new sketch of the hijacker, the “Gregory” sketch, designed as a supplement to the other Cooper sketches out there, and composed by the talented illustrator John Burgoyne. To read more about the sketch and recent Cooper news,

Well...I did it. I contacted William Mitchell. I sent a letter USPS on October 3, 2014. He sent me an email on October 8, 2014 as a response to my letter.
I attached a Word Document with part of our email exchange.

What I found interesting is his comments about his memories of the likeliness of the hijacker compared to the FBI composite sketch. He thought the sketch portrayed the hijacker's face too thin.

Concerning my father:
He found that my fathers facial features were more consistent to what he remembers.
He had hesitations about the size of my father in the video from 1970 (the lake shot) and thought Mel was too big, but
according to Unsolved Mysteries episode, my father was 6' and 180 lbs at the time of his disappearance on September 15. 1971.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #272 on: October 23, 2014, 07:18:13 PM »
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Well...I did it. I contacted William Mitchell. I sent a letter USPS on October 3, 2014. He sent me an email on October 8, 2014 as a response to my letter.

What did you think of his response?

And to think you did this without sending it to the wrong address, or making a big deal about it. that's how it's done.  8)
 

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« Reply #273 on: October 24, 2014, 12:11:43 AM »
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Well...I did it. I contacted William Mitchell. I sent a letter USPS on October 3, 2014. He sent me an email on October 8, 2014 as a response to my letter.

What did you think of his response?

And to think you did this without sending it to the wrong address, or making a big deal about it. that's how it's done.  8)

I thought Mitchell gave a very thoughtful response and took the time to say what he thought matched his memory of DB Cooper and what didn't.  And, he gave us a direct statement from a witness to talk about.

The one thing I thought was interesting was Mitchell's statement that he didn't think the drawing really captured what DB Cooper looked like.  Kind tells you people are wasting their time photoshopping pictures of their suspects to match the drawing.
 

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« Reply #274 on: October 24, 2014, 02:27:38 AM »
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This is directly from Gray's website....

Over the years, there have been many D.B. Cooper sketches. There’s the Bing Crosby sketch, released shortly after the hijacking; the one that followed that; the aged depiction of Cooper; all are different in their own ways, have merit in their own ways, and were based on the recollection of three witnesses: Stewardesses Tina Mucklow, Florence Schaffner, and Alice Hancock, who worked in first class.

One witness, however, that was not interviewed by Bureau artists was Robert Gregory, owner of a paint company in Seattle, who sat directly across from the hijacker in row 18. While stewardesses Mucklow and Schaffner were closest to the hijacker and Mucklow spent the longest time with him, Gregory was the most detailed and specific in his observations, according to the Bureau case files.

For instance, Gregory noticed the sunglasses the hijacker was wearing had “horned-rims” and the suit jacket the hijacker was wearing had “wide lapels.” Working with paints, Gregory was likely an expert in picking out colors. According to the Cooper case files, Gregory believed the hijacker’s suit was not black or brown as had been suggested, but was a different shade entirely: “russet.”

Most critically, Gregory described the hijacker’s hair in a very specific way: “Marcelled,” an old French style of creating curls with hot irons. The observation of “marcelled” hair is critical in the case because stewardesses’ Mucklow and Schaffner described the hijacker’s hair as straight. There was one witness though who did back up Gregory’s claim of curly hair: Alice Hancock, the first class stew, who described the hijacker’s hair as “wavy.”

Attached is a new sketch of the hijacker, the “Gregory” sketch, designed as a supplement to the other Cooper sketches out there, and composed by the talented illustrator John Burgoyne. To read more about the sketch and recent Cooper news,

Well...I did it. I contacted William Mitchell. I sent a letter USPS on October 3, 2014. He sent me an email on October 8, 2014 as a response to my letter.
I attached a Word Document with part of our email exchange.

What I found interesting is his comments about his memories of the likeliness of the hijacker compared to the FBI composite sketch. He thought the sketch portrayed the hijacker's face too thin.

Concerning my father:
He found that my fathers facial features were more consistent to what he remembers.
He had hesitations about the size of my father in the video from 1970 (the lake shot) and thought Mel was too big, but
according to Unsolved Mysteries episode, my father was 6' and 180 lbs at the time of his disappearance on September 15. 1971.

What interests me is Mitchell's 'sense' of sizing Cooper up - Mitchell says: 'In 1971 I was 6'2" and probably weighed 195 lbs. and in pretty good shape.' Mitchell was a young vigorous male/college student. Mitchell says after learning what was really going on with Cooper he thought: 'I could have overpowered him'. Key word is "overpowered" him. That puts Cooper as slighter in build, or maybe less physically dominant in presence and demeanor in Mitchell's assessment, especially if Mitchell and Cooper were similar in height. That's an interesting judgment if Mitchell wasn't just boasting as an after-thought?

You might ask Mitchell what specifically made him think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker. If it was a physical comparison or an overall general appraisal of the hijacker including his age, compared to the younger Mitchell himself. Ask Mitchell if he was a wrestler or in athletics as a college student, or had been in high school, or if Mitchell was going through any military training like ROTC in college etc? What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

   
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« Reply #275 on: October 24, 2014, 09:11:23 AM »
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What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

Young, and cocky would do it.  8)

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #276 on: October 24, 2014, 03:55:48 PM »
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Mitchell says: 'In 1971 I was 6'2" and probably weighed 195 lbs. and in pretty good shape.' Mitchell was a young vigorous male/college student. Mitchell says after learning what was really going on with Cooper he thought: 'I could have overpowered him'. Key word is "overpowered" him. That puts Cooper as slighter in build, or maybe less physically dominant in presence and demeanor in Mitchell's assessment, especially if Mitchell and Cooper were similar in height. That's an interesting judgment if Mitchell wasn't just boasting as an after-thought?

..... What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

The following is out of Mitchell's intervue by the museum:

"I told the FBI, you know if I was walking down the aisle and I knew he didn’t…I knew what was going on, and he didn’t have his hand in there, I was way bigger than him and I could’ve, you know, I could’ve grabbed him and jerked him out of his seat. But I never would have done that. You know, I kept saying that to them. So…he was slight,..."

Also, standing over someone is stronger than sitting below someone.

He was "slight," yet his face was portrayed as too thin in the sketch?  Maybe "slight" means small rather than thin?
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« Reply #277 on: October 24, 2014, 04:28:32 PM »
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Mitchell says: 'In 1971 I was 6'2" and probably weighed 195 lbs. and in pretty good shape.' Mitchell was a young vigorous male/college student. Mitchell says after learning what was really going on with Cooper he thought: 'I could have overpowered him'. Key word is "overpowered" him. That puts Cooper as slighter in build, or maybe less physically dominant in presence and demeanor in Mitchell's assessment, especially if Mitchell and Cooper were similar in height. That's an interesting judgment if Mitchell wasn't just boasting as an after-thought?

..... What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

The following is out of Mitchell's intervue by the museum:

"I told the FBI, you know if I was walking down the aisle and I knew he didn’t…I knew what was going on, and he didn’t have his hand in there, I was way bigger than him and I could’ve, you know, I could’ve grabbed him and jerked him out of his seat. But I never would have done that. You know, I kept saying that to them. So…he was slight,..."

Also, standing over someone is stronger than sitting below someone.

He was "slight," yet his face was portrayed as too thin in the sketch?  Maybe "slight" means small rather than thin?

For information and review,  I attached Bill Mitchell's WSHM interview.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #278 on: October 24, 2014, 06:31:10 PM »
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Mitchell says: 'In 1971 I was 6'2" and probably weighed 195 lbs. and in pretty good shape.' Mitchell was a young vigorous male/college student. Mitchell says after learning what was really going on with Cooper he thought: 'I could have overpowered him'. Key word is "overpowered" him. That puts Cooper as slighter in build, or maybe less physically dominant in presence and demeanor in Mitchell's assessment, especially if Mitchell and Cooper were similar in height. That's an interesting judgment if Mitchell wasn't just boasting as an after-thought?

..... What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

The following is out of Mitchell's intervue by the museum:

"I told the FBI, you know if I was walking down the aisle and I knew he didn’t…I knew what was going on, and he didn’t have his hand in there, I was way bigger than him and I could’ve, you know, I could’ve grabbed him and jerked him out of his seat. But I never would have done that. You know, I kept saying that to them. So…he was slight,..."

Also, standing over someone is stronger than sitting below someone.

He was "slight," yet his face was portrayed as too thin in the sketch?  Maybe "slight" means small rather than thin?

For information and review,  I attached Bill Mitchell's WSHM interview.

That's for posting.  One key word that I hadn't really thought about before was Mitchell calling DB Cooper "geeky".  That's interesting.   Have any of the named suspects previously mentioned by described that way?  I don't really think so.   I take that to mean slight build and a bit nerdy, but it's possible Mitchell was thinking of something else.
 

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« Reply #279 on: October 24, 2014, 10:29:12 PM »
Seems we have another Cooper suspect. anyone heard of this guy?

"Truman has been contacted by the FBI and says that he will supply them with any information they need to help with their 40 year old investigation. “I’m going to die soon. I don’t need to leave a big mystery behind me. Whatever information they need, I’ll do my best to give it to them,” he told news reporter Stephanie Whistler of KOCO.com located in Oklahoma City."

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He would of been 40 years old in 1971........ :o


This story is a HOAX....ebuzzed.com has a history of hoax stories.....
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« Reply #280 on: October 24, 2014, 11:24:18 PM »
Doing a quick check around, I can't find anything on this guy? no records so far....
 

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« Reply #281 on: October 25, 2014, 12:05:39 AM »
The poster at DZ that put up that link now believes it to be a hoax....but it sure didn't take Jo long to try and connect Duane to the guy.
 

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« Reply #282 on: October 25, 2014, 12:11:26 AM »
I already started thinking that once I couldn't find anything on him, plus there is no date on the link.

That site was updated today....Information Updated: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 04:19:57 UTC
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ebuzzed.com has a trail of hoax stories....
 

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Mitchell says: 'In 1971 I was 6'2" and probably weighed 195 lbs. and in pretty good shape.' Mitchell was a young vigorous male/college student. Mitchell says after learning what was really going on with Cooper he thought: 'I could have overpowered him'. Key word is "overpowered" him. That puts Cooper as slighter in build, or maybe less physically dominant in presence and demeanor in Mitchell's assessment, especially if Mitchell and Cooper were similar in height. That's an interesting judgment if Mitchell wasn't just boasting as an after-thought?

..... What made Mitchell think he could have "overpowered" the hijacker ?

The following is out of Mitchell's intervue by the museum:

"I told the FBI, you know if I was walking down the aisle and I knew he didn’t…I knew what was going on, and he didn’t have his hand in there, I was way bigger than him and I could’ve, you know, I could’ve grabbed him and jerked him out of his seat. But I never would have done that. You know, I kept saying that to them. So…he was slight,..."

Also, standing over someone is stronger than sitting below someone.

He was "slight," yet his face was portrayed as too thin in the sketch?  Maybe "slight" means small rather than thin?

For information and review,  I attached Bill Mitchell's WSHM interview.

That's for posting.  One key word that I hadn't really thought about before was Mitchell calling DB Cooper "geeky".  That's interesting.   Have any of the named suspects previously mentioned by described that way?  I don't really think so.   I take that to mean slight build and a bit nerdy, but it's possible Mitchell was thinking of something else.

He also states something wrong with his clothing not matching or something like that. this could be proof of him purchasing clothing from a second hand store? I'm not sure how we can go from brown, to black, to Russet? perhaps nothing Cooper was wearing had anything to do with him personally.

I wonder what the tie clip was going for in the 70's? that's something I didn't check. I think I'll email the lady from Anson and see if she could answer this question.