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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #255 on: October 01, 2014, 03:51:15 PM »
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The letter must of been by itself. it doesn't line up with the N. could also be a B?

I had another post on this a couple of minutes ago but it seems to have gotten lost somewhere.  The first letter "N" suggests some ordered sequence and probably related to maps.  If the second letters are in some kind of sequence top to bottom, or bottom to top, then that would strengthen the case for the letters referring to some other and non-aeronautical series of maps.

Shutter, can you decipher the non-aeronautical maps that were on the wall of the picture in the "office" of the people who were involved in the first ground search for Cooper?


I can try, any of them, or all? Georger, you might want to take a poke at this as well...

That's a possibility - what R99 suggests. Those codes stand for something. I will try to pull more of the layering out tonight...Ive always noticed layering in those letters and wondered what those codes stood for and who made them when...

 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #256 on: October 01, 2014, 04:00:52 PM »
Here is the maps from the wall just above where Tom is sitting.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #257 on: October 01, 2014, 04:12:32 PM »
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Jo Weber is now claiming that she spent a 20 that had the name Dan Cooper written on it. Amazing.

LOL.  If she had it before she knew about DB Cooper, she would never remember that twenty.  How many bills have you ever had with writing on it?  Remember what was written on any of them?  Me neither.  If she had it after she knew about DB Cooper, well then..... yeah.... ummmm..... she must have been super hard up for money.  I'm calling Bill Stewart.


How can someone remember something so irrelevant as throwing trash away 30 years later? I have a very good memory dating back to 3 years old, but I couldn't tell you what anyone was doing, or talking about 6 months ago. certain events can cause a "recall" but between Jo and Marla having clear vivid memories in detail is just to hard to accept.

I just had a bill with writing on it yesterday. I haven't a clue what it said, even if it became the headlines in the news I don't think that would trigger remembering what was on the bill. theses stories seem to be used to help validate the story. it's hard to dispute since you can't research it.

I understand the FBI has much better things to do other than the Cooper case. I wish they would simplify things and give an update on the case, and the suspects that have been ruled out. a very simple update on there website wouldn't take up any time at all, and would benefit many!

So, I'm guessing that you also don't remember everyone who was or wasn't at your thanksgiving dinner 40+ years ago?
 

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« Reply #258 on: October 01, 2014, 04:26:56 PM »
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Jo Weber is now claiming that she spent a 20 that had the name Dan Cooper written on it. Amazing.

LOL.  If she had it before she knew about DB Cooper, she would never remember that twenty.  How many bills have you ever had with writing on it?  Remember what was written on any of them?  Me neither.  If she had it after she knew about DB Cooper, well then..... yeah.... ummmm..... she must have been super hard up for money.  I'm calling Bill Stewart.


How can someone remember something so irrelevant as throwing trash away 30 years later? I have a very good memory dating back to 3 years old, but I couldn't tell you what anyone was doing, or talking about 6 months ago. certain events can cause a "recall" but between Jo and Marla having clear vivid memories in detail is just to hard to accept.

I just had a bill with writing on it yesterday. I haven't a clue what it said, even if it became the headlines in the news I don't think that would trigger remembering what was on the bill. theses stories seem to be used to help validate the story. it's hard to dispute since you can't research it.

I understand the FBI has much better things to do other than the Cooper case. I wish they would simplify things and give an update on the case, and the suspects that have been ruled out. a very simple update on there website wouldn't take up any time at all, and would benefit many!

So, I'm guessing that you also don't remember everyone who was or wasn't at your thanksgiving dinner 40+ years ago?

Nope, got nothin'  :D ;D

Seriously, let me see. sometimes we had Thanksgiving at my Grandmothers house, but I have no idea what years that happened. sometimes my Great Grandfather was there, but again he died in the early 70's so I have no idea again who was at the dinner from 40+ years. Cousins sometimes showed, friends of Mom and Dad etc. etc.

 

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« Reply #259 on: October 01, 2014, 05:04:14 PM »
Yep, my brother makes it in every other year and I was trying the other day to remember if he was here last year or not.
 

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« Reply #260 on: October 01, 2014, 11:20:18 PM »
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Here is the maps from the wall just above where Tom is sitting.

Is that Washington or the Amazon? (laughing) Cant see much.  ;) Let me see what I can pull out of these 'codes' image-wise. 
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« Reply #261 on: October 04, 2014, 10:16:00 AM »
Interesting read from the obituary of Captain Scott........

In his later years, however, Scott talked more openly of his suspicion that Cooper had died in the jump, and he laughed that Northwest had "shorted" the ransom by $20,000.

The story can be found here:

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I'm building a crew profile for the photo gallery. does anyone know if any pictures of Alice were made public? any bio's on Alice, or the flight engineer Harold Anderson would be helpful.....
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« Reply #262 on: October 04, 2014, 11:16:05 AM »


This is directly from Gray's website....

Over the years, there have been many D.B. Cooper sketches. There’s the Bing Crosby sketch, released shortly after the hijacking; the one that followed that; the aged depiction of Cooper; all are different in their own ways, have merit in their own ways, and were based on the recollection of three witnesses: Stewardesses Tina Mucklow, Florence Schaffner, and Alice Hancock, who worked in first class.

One witness, however, that was not interviewed by Bureau artists was Robert Gregory, owner of a paint company in Seattle, who sat directly across from the hijacker in row 18. While stewardesses Mucklow and Schaffner were closest to the hijacker and Mucklow spent the longest time with him, Gregory was the most detailed and specific in his observations, according to the Bureau case files.

For instance, Gregory noticed the sunglasses the hijacker was wearing had “horned-rims” and the suit jacket the hijacker was wearing had “wide lapels.” Working with paints, Gregory was likely an expert in picking out colors. According to the Cooper case files, Gregory believed the hijacker’s suit was not black or brown as had been suggested, but was a different shade entirely: “russet.”

Most critically, Gregory described the hijacker’s hair in a very specific way: “Marcelled,” an old French style of creating curls with hot irons. The observation of “marcelled” hair is critical in the case because stewardesses’ Mucklow and Schaffner described the hijacker’s hair as straight. There was one witness though who did back up Gregory’s claim of curly hair: Alice Hancock, the first class stew, who described the hijacker’s hair as “wavy.”

Attached is a new sketch of the hijacker, the “Gregory” sketch, designed as a supplement to the other Cooper sketches out there, and composed by the talented illustrator John Burgoyne. To read more about the sketch and recent Cooper news,
 

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« Reply #263 on: October 04, 2014, 11:34:56 AM »
"After ordering a second bourbon and water, Cooper paid with a twenty–dollar bill, instructing Schaffner to keep the change, an eighteen–dollar tip."

If not mistaken Cooper paid with a 20 for his ticket. was it that common to have multiple 20's in the early 70's. that was considered a lot of money. what happened to the money given by Cooper?

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« Reply #264 on: October 04, 2014, 02:51:51 PM »
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"After ordering a second bourbon and water, Cooper paid with a twenty–dollar bill, instructing Schaffner to keep the change, an eighteen–dollar tip."

If not mistaken Cooper paid with a 20 for his ticket. was it that common to have multiple 20's in the early 70's. that was considered a lot of money. what happened to the money given by Cooper?

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If the $$$$$$ at Tina Bar is any indication it all rotted or went down the river, or wound up in the vault at "Through the Lens of Logic Headquarters" which is a subsidiary of Adventure Books - R&G Housecleaning LTD Inc.  ;)
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« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2014, 12:00:05 AM »
Since the early 1970’s, superplastic forming of titanium alloys became a feasible
manufacturing technology for military aircraft in USA and also for the Concorde supersonic
civil aircraft in Europe. In the next decade, new superplastic titanium and aluminium alloys
were developed for different structural applications for military airframes and engines, but the
first really implementation of SPF/DB was Boeing F15 Eagle, and Eurofighter afterwards.

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« Reply #266 on: October 10, 2014, 11:03:04 PM »
I was watching "Wings Over Vietnam" tonite. it was about rescuing downed pilots. what caught my eye was the introduction of the Sikorsky HH-3 helicopters used for the rescues. this was in the mid 1960's. they had a thousand pounds of armor on them made of Titanium. Sikorsky is a manufacture here in the United States, and other Countries, including Canada.

Just how far back does Titanium and aircraft go?
 

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« Reply #267 on: October 10, 2014, 11:14:52 PM »
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I was watching "Wings Over Vietnam" tonite. it was about rescuing downed pilots. what caught my eye was the introduction of the Sikorsky HH-3 helicopters used for the rescues. this was in the mid 1960's. they had a thousand pounds of armor on them made of Titanium. Sikorsky is a manufacture here in the United States, and other Countries, including Canada.

Just how far back does Titanium and aircraft go?

That's right - I totally forgot about that armor plate. Nice find! It has to be an alloy of Ti.
 

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« Reply #268 on: October 11, 2014, 12:43:55 AM »
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I was watching "Wings Over Vietnam" tonite. it was about rescuing downed pilots. what caught my eye was the introduction of the Sikorsky HH-3 helicopters used for the rescues. this was in the mid 1960's. they had a thousand pounds of armor on them made of Titanium. Sikorsky is a manufacture here in the United States, and other Countries, including Canada.

Just how far back does Titanium and aircraft go?

That's right - I totally forgot about that armor plate. Nice find! It has to be an alloy of Ti.

Titanium was used in aircraft parts that could be cast and didn't require extensive machining prior to the B-70 and the SR-71 aircraft and its predecessors.

The first aircraft in the SR-71 series was known as the Lockheed A-11 (or maybe A-12).  Its design was started in the late 1950s and it first flew about 1962.  Machined Titanium was used extensively in the SR-71 series and Lockheed had to literally re-invent the wheel to develop methods to machine Titanium.  The aircraft systems, fluids, etc., all had to be invented from scratch in order to handle the terrific heat that they were exposed to while flying several hours at Mach 3.2+.

And the Boeing SST, which never flew, would have used Titanium extensively.
 

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« Reply #269 on: October 11, 2014, 01:57:27 AM »
Thanks R99. I wish I had a powerful microscope. you can get swirl metal also from drilling. I would like to see what the remains look like on a drill press after drilling tough metals.