How many individual DNA profiles were found on the tie? something like 14?
I dont think it was that many. 3? 4? Multiple donors. But even if it was 14 they are still separable. The loci tests are that discriminating. The problem, I heard, was the weakness of all samples so multiple samples had to be taken to get any statistically valid results. The best they could get were partials. I assume that means a partial on each and every donor! Generally a partial is defined as a match on at least 7 loci, out of 13 in the US system. The European system uses 23-26 loci.
Tom may have better info ?
The problem with all of this is you get different accounts from different people. That is the norm in this Cooper mess.
I remember Kaye saying around 14? but yes weak partial samples..
The tie "lab" (not office practice) environment I am considering is consistent with many DNA profiles but not the higher number you might expect in a dental office..
I think a dental lab or office is as good as any other 'guess'? Maybe guess isnt the right word. The cocktail of particles comes from somewhere. Is it a cocktail from a single source of multiple sources - I dont know.
If Tom says 14 dna profiles then I guess its 14. Again I dont know. All I do know is we stood ready to help in any way at the time but our offers were ignored - 23&me etc. Tom didnt have these resources. We have people that cycle in and out of Quantico ..... but that is all ancient history now. I guess its safe in saying Cooper doesn't match with a goat! And the FBI is probably the best single source for searching data bases, worldwide. I doubt Cooper is in any dna database but there might be a familial match... its a problem for the future and other people now.
Well, I did find a person who was in that particular Dental "tie particle" environment from 1966-71, he was also a pilot/skydiver and part a tight group of ex military pilots who needed $$ for a business venture. One of them is an associate of a real person inadvertently identified in the Seattle Dan Cooper comic.
An incredible coincidence or something there?
Just curious ... which came first? The suspect or the dental solution?
Good question,,
1st - The tie timeframe, manufactured 1965/66.
2nd - Then I searched many environments, some were partial but the dental one was by far the best match.
3rd - The real life suspect actually came from a clue in the Seattle Dan Cooper comic book... that clue ID's a real person, a US military pilot with a European background and while researching his personal associations he was one associate away from a person from a Dental environment which I confirmed to be exactly 1966-71. That Dental environment was 3 miles from a Penny's store in a Midwest city. He was a pilot and a skydiver, he also lived miles upstream of TBAR and next to the river in the late 70's.
From this small group of pilots/skydivers/ex-military some of them are still alive..
Did one of these guys pull it off? or were there accomplices? Was the tie used by one of the other guys?
There isn't enough proof to name them publicly, could be just an amazing coincidence.
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