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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

0% Cooper lived
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25% Cooper lived
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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
14 (21.9%)
75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2505 on: January 12, 2018, 10:01:24 PM »
I like how, in 16 minutes, Sonnen said literally nothing other than "I know the guy" and provided not one shred of detail... not one piece of information.
 

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« Reply #2506 on: January 12, 2018, 10:07:08 PM »
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I like how, in 16 minutes, Sonnen said literally nothing other than "I know the guy" and provided not one shred of detail... not one piece of information.

He was a minimum wage security guard...
 

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« Reply #2507 on: January 12, 2018, 10:14:49 PM »
got his butt whooped in the MMA cage...he's been down this road for years..very arrogant personality..
 

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« Reply #2508 on: January 13, 2018, 03:08:45 AM »
I endeavored to interview Sonnen several years ago. He never responded to me.

The offer's still good, Chael, if you're reading this.
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« Reply #2509 on: January 13, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »
He appears to be stating two possible suspects...he rambles a lot, even stating the case was closed because they thought McCoy was Cooper...that's just the boys who convicted him, as well as the cop who shot him stating this..
 

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« Reply #2510 on: January 13, 2018, 05:15:18 PM »
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Sonnen has been making the claim of knowing who Cooper was for years...apparently, it was his father....see photo..

Internet perusing led me to see on a blog that someone claims Sonnen said his Cooper suspect wasn't his father but was a family friend who often came for dinner. I'll link it if you ask.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2511 on: January 13, 2018, 05:53:26 PM »
I got my info from a site stating the following...also a blog..

So Chael has long claimed to know who DB Cooper really is. DB Cooper left from Portland airport which is right near where Chael grew up.

In the video below, Chael says that DB didn't tell anyone who he was... and that statement was 99% true. Meaning... was DB Cooper really Chael's father, Patrick Sonnen, and the 1% person he told was Chael P Sonnen, The American Gangster, himself?! It would all make sense!

Of course... it could also be Robert Richard Pierce who died a few days ago as Chael describes in the video above:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2512 on: January 19, 2018, 07:43:17 PM »
I'll throw this out there for discussion...

I went through all the tie particles and found a match for a specific environment.

The tie was manufactured in 1965/66 and I found a pilot/skydiver who was in that environment from 1966-71, source for the tie?
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« Reply #2513 on: January 19, 2018, 08:18:18 PM »
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I'll throw this out there for discussion...

I went through all the tie particles and found a match for a specific environment.

The tie was manufactured in 1965/66 and I found a pilot/skydiver who was in that environment from 1966-71, source for the tie?

So is your attachment implying that he was also a dentist?   I never believed Cooper were a pilot, or recreational skydiver, but if anything, a commando who was forced in his jumps...
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« Reply #2514 on: January 20, 2018, 11:57:18 AM »
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I'll throw this out there for discussion...

I went through all the tie particles and found a match for a specific environment.

The tie was manufactured in 1965/66 and I found a pilot/skydiver who was in that environment from 1966-71, source for the tie?

So is your attachment implying that he was also a dentist?   I never believed Cooper were a pilot, or recreational skydiver, but if anything, a commando who was forced in his jumps...

NOT an office but a "lab" type environment..

Speculation > Tie "owner" may have been hijacker, accomplice or associate ???
« Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 12:00:13 PM by FLYJACK »
 

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« Reply #2515 on: January 20, 2018, 01:04:43 PM »
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I'll throw this out there for discussion...

I went through all the tie particles and found a match for a specific environment.

The tie was manufactured in 1965/66 and I found a pilot/skydiver who was in that environment from 1966-71, source for the tie?

So is your attachment implying that he was also a dentist?   I never believed Cooper were a pilot, or recreational skydiver, but if anything, a commando who was forced in his jumps...

NOT an office but a "lab" type environment..

Speculation > Tie "owner" may have been hijacker, accomplice or associate ???
Dentists had one of the highest occupational suicide rates. And one of the highest occupational psycho-social disease (social problem) rates. Virtually everyone in the social sciences was aware of that fact, back in the day; especially among epidemiological and actuarial statisticians.

I wonder what FBI crime stats for the era show (by occupational category). Technical crimes tend to be conducted by technically trained people.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 01:42:19 PM by georger »
 

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« Reply #2516 on: January 20, 2018, 01:51:52 PM »
How many individual DNA profiles were found on the tie? something like 14?
 

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« Reply #2517 on: January 20, 2018, 03:40:13 PM »
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How many individual DNA profiles were found on the tie? something like 14?

I dont think it was that many. 3? 4? Multiple donors. But even if it was 14 they are still separable. The loci tests are that discriminating. The problem, I heard, was the weakness of all samples so multiple samples had to be taken to get any statistically valid results. The best they could get were partials. I assume that means a partial on each and every donor! Generally a partial is defined as a match on at least 7 loci, out of 13  in the US system. The European system uses 23-26 loci.

Tom may have better info ?

The problem with all of this is you get different accounts from different people. That is the norm in this Cooper mess.
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« Reply #2518 on: January 20, 2018, 04:04:51 PM »
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How many individual DNA profiles were found on the tie? something like 14?

I dont think it was that many. 3? 4? Multiple donors. But even if it was 14 they are still separable. The loci tests are that discriminating. The problem, I heard, was the weakness of all samples so multiple samples had to be taken to get any statistically valid results. The best they could get were partials. I assume that means a partial on each and every donor! Generally a partial is defined as a match on at least 7 loci, out of 13  in the US system. The European system uses 23-26 loci.

Tom may have better info ?

The problem with all of this is you get different accounts from different people. That is the norm in this Cooper mess.

I remember Kaye saying around 14? but yes weak partial samples..

The tie "lab" (not office practice) environment I am considering is consistent with many DNA profiles but not the higher number you might expect in a dental office..
 

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« Reply #2519 on: January 20, 2018, 05:00:48 PM »
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How many individual DNA profiles were found on the tie? something like 14?

I dont think it was that many. 3? 4? Multiple donors. But even if it was 14 they are still separable. The loci tests are that discriminating. The problem, I heard, was the weakness of all samples so multiple samples had to be taken to get any statistically valid results. The best they could get were partials. I assume that means a partial on each and every donor! Generally a partial is defined as a match on at least 7 loci, out of 13  in the US system. The European system uses 23-26 loci.

Tom may have better info ?

The problem with all of this is you get different accounts from different people. That is the norm in this Cooper mess.

I remember Kaye saying around 14? but yes weak partial samples..

The tie "lab" (not office practice) environment I am considering is consistent with many DNA profiles but not the higher number you might expect in a dental office..

I think a dental lab or office is as good as any other 'guess'? Maybe guess isnt the right word. The cocktail of particles comes from somewhere. Is it a cocktail from a single source of multiple sources - I dont know.

If Tom says 14 dna profiles then I guess its 14. Again I dont know. All I do know is we stood ready to help in any way at the time but our offers were ignored - 23&me etc. Tom didnt have these resources. We have people that cycle in and out of Quantico ..... but that is all ancient history now. I guess its safe in saying Cooper doesn't match with a goat! And the FBI is probably the best single source for searching data bases, worldwide. I doubt Cooper is in any dna database but there might be a familial match... its a problem for the future and other people now.   
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