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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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50% Cooper lived
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75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2460 on: January 03, 2018, 05:10:32 PM »
The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2461 on: January 03, 2018, 05:18:28 PM »
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The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...

Yes, those are both worth considering. Does anyone know how fast the media mistake (Dan/D.B.) was corrected? It's possible Dan, like everyone else, just went with DB because that's what people were calling him them. For me, the biggest factor AGAINST the notes being written by Cooper is that he was much better off letting the FBI conclude he was dead. In fact, I take a special interest in suspects and others (ex. Cossey, who was singing a different tune in that 1979 Leonard Nimoy video) who insist(ed) Cooper died. Everybody wants to be Batman. Only Bruce Wayne would deny he was Batman. But again, who knows the ways of the human mind?  ;)

I do notice from the link I'm attaching the FBI were looking for ppl with smokejumping experience early on. How many suspects had that?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2462 on: January 03, 2018, 05:22:43 PM »
DB Cooper was being used prior to the letters. I think it was almost immediate with the mistake? Walter Kronkite quoted "DA Cooper"  :rofl: I find it strange he would use a double alias..you would think he would say Dan Cooper, even with the mistake..

did you see the video about the playboy clippings?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2463 on: January 03, 2018, 07:46:07 PM »
Cooper, if he survived, would have seen the inescapable press coverage of his act and would have used his metonym when contacting people as the hijacker. Only were he trying to prove his story to the FBI or LE would he use "Dan Cooper."

That said, the "Cooper Letters" don't make any sense from the point of view of a bank robber whose only interest was in money.
 

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« Reply #2464 on: January 03, 2018, 11:58:11 PM »
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The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...

Yes, those are both worth considering. Does anyone know how fast the media mistake (Dan/D.B.) was corrected? It's possible Dan, like everyone else, just went with DB because that's what people were calling him them. For me, the biggest factor AGAINST the notes being written by Cooper is that he was much better off letting the FBI conclude he was dead. In fact, I take a special interest in suspects and others (ex. Cossey, who was singing a different tune in that 1979 Leonard Nimoy video) who insist(ed) Cooper died. Everybody wants to be Batman. Only Bruce Wayne would deny he was Batman. But again, who knows the ways of the human mind?  ;)

I do notice from the link I'm attaching the FBI were looking for ppl with smokejumping experience early on. How many suspects had that?
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The FBI files released document the FBI thought Cooper had some formal parachute training. They polled every parachute organisation they could find.   
 

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« Reply #2465 on: January 04, 2018, 12:50:40 PM »
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The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...

Yes, those are both worth considering. Does anyone know how fast the media mistake (Dan/D.B.) was corrected? It's possible Dan, like everyone else, just went with DB because that's what people were calling him them. For me, the biggest factor AGAINST the notes being written by Cooper is that he was much better off letting the FBI conclude he was dead. In fact, I take a special interest in suspects and others (ex. Cossey, who was singing a different tune in that 1979 Leonard Nimoy video) who insist(ed) Cooper died. Everybody wants to be Batman. Only Bruce Wayne would deny he was Batman. But again, who knows the ways of the human mind?  ;)

I do notice from the link I'm attaching the FBI were looking for ppl with smokejumping experience early on. How many suspects had that?
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Lynn,

The link you mention is filled with so many errors that it is completely unreliable.  It should not be used as a reference for anything.
 

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« Reply #2466 on: January 04, 2018, 12:53:43 PM »
I think I got em,,

One is a perfect match for the tie particle environment and timeline (manufactured 1965/66), a small tight group of pilot/skydivers and ex military. They had the skills, small planes for a getaway and a collective motive. None of them have ever been brought up in relation to the Cooper case.

They are still alive... and I have no doubt read this forum..

The Wally Foss story about accomplices and small planes used in a getaway from Colbert may be legit.. (though I haven't found a connection to Rackstraw)


Only the FBI can prove it 100% and they aren't interested, but realistically maybe these old guys should be left alone in their waning years.. to have successfully pulled it off.


and I found the POI and this group through a clue in the Seattle Dan Cooper comic that inadvertently identified a real person, an ex European fighter pilot who moved to the US. Though he isn't involved, these guys are his associates. Albert Weinberg spent some time in Seattle prior to 1971 researching for the comic.
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« Reply #2467 on: January 04, 2018, 03:22:33 PM »
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The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...

Yes, those are both worth considering. Does anyone know how fast the media mistake (Dan/D.B.) was corrected? It's possible Dan, like everyone else, just went with DB because that's what people were calling him them. For me, the biggest factor AGAINST the notes being written by Cooper is that he was much better off letting the FBI conclude he was dead. In fact, I take a special interest in suspects and others (ex. Cossey, who was singing a different tune in that 1979 Leonard Nimoy video) who insist(ed) Cooper died. Everybody wants to be Batman. Only Bruce Wayne would deny he was Batman. But again, who knows the ways of the human mind?  ;)

I do notice from the link I'm attaching the FBI were looking for ppl with smokejumping experience early on. How many suspects had that?
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Lynn,

The link you mention is filled with so many errors that it is completely unreliable.  It should not be used as a reference for anything.

Hi, Robert - Thank you, but I was not concerned about the accuracy of that link vis a vis the skyjacking itself - I've read the basics so many times now I can correct the stories myself as I go along. This is one of the very early accounts, so the inaccuracies re the flight are predictable. I'm interested in what the investigators were looking for at that time. And my question stands:  how many had smoke jumping experience among the named suspects? I am also curious as to early use of "batwings" for dives and from what height, as I know little about parachuting apart from what I've read here.
 

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« Reply #2468 on: January 04, 2018, 03:31:51 PM »
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The tie has been under fire just as anything else with the case...I believe it was on Cooper..was it really his, that's the real question..

The letters, I find them interesting ,but also note that it's odd that none of them were signed by Dan Cooper...and why not send a crisp 20 dollar bill to add shock to the letter? he had plenty....something could have been said to tell them he was Cooper...

Yes, those are both worth considering. Does anyone know how fast the media mistake (Dan/D.B.) was corrected? It's possible Dan, like everyone else, just went with DB because that's what people were calling him them. For me, the biggest factor AGAINST the notes being written by Cooper is that he was much better off letting the FBI conclude he was dead. In fact, I take a special interest in suspects and others (ex. Cossey, who was singing a different tune in that 1979 Leonard Nimoy video) who insist(ed) Cooper died. Everybody wants to be Batman. Only Bruce Wayne would deny he was Batman. But again, who knows the ways of the human mind?  ;)

I do notice from the link I'm attaching the FBI were looking for ppl with smokejumping experience early on. How many suspects had that?
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Lynn,

The link you mention is filled with so many errors that it is completely unreliable.  It should not be used as a reference for anything.

Hi, Robert - Thank you, but I was not concerned about the accuracy of that link vis a vis the skyjacking itself - I've read the basics so many times now I can correct the stories myself as I go along. This is one of the very early accounts, so the inaccuracies re the flight are predictable. I'm interested in what the investigators were looking for at that time. And my question stands:  how many had smoke jumping experience among the named suspects? I am also curious as to early use of "batwings" for dives and from what height, as I know little about parachuting apart from what I've read here.

377 is the best source of parachuting information on this thread.  I imagine that you two are already in touch.
 
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« Reply #2469 on: January 04, 2018, 03:33:21 PM »
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Only the FBI can prove it 100% and they aren't interested, but realistically maybe these old guys should be left alone in their waning years.. to have successfully pulled it off.


Left alone?  Not a chance.  Then why are we even here ?   Smoke them out, and identify them.. you've been teasing us with your guy for a year now... lets hear it... who is it ?  if you want a solve, maybe the FBI would cave to public pressure if there is public discussion and momentum on the perps.
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« Reply #2470 on: January 04, 2018, 03:34:53 PM »
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DB Cooper was being used prior to the letters. I think it was almost immediate with the mistake? Walter Kronkite quoted "DA Cooper"  :rofl: I find it strange he would use a double alias..you would think he would say Dan Cooper, even with the mistake..

did you see the video about the playboy clippings?

Yes, that was fascinating (about the Playboy clippings). Helluva lot of work by whoever Al Di is, but it's compelling viewing. They did mention the "B" in one letter is a different colour and could be a wink at the incorrect nom de skyjack. (Did anyone ever figure out who Al Di is? I noticed he used a different name on another thread. )

PS Hello Mr. Andrade! I've read some of your site and found it very helpful, as well as Bruce's, Sluggo's and this one in particular. Nice to meet you. :)
 
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« Reply #2471 on: January 04, 2018, 04:27:25 PM »
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Only the FBI can prove it 100% and they aren't interested, but realistically maybe these old guys should be left alone in their waning years.. to have successfully pulled it off.


Left alone?  Not a chance.  Then why are we even here ?   Smoke them out, and identify them.. you've been teasing us with your guy for a year now... lets hear it... who is it ?  if you want a solve, maybe the FBI would cave to public pressure if there is public discussion and momentum on the perps.

I agree...the fact of them being old isn't a factor here...solving the crime is..the story about the plane has been around for years. it's even noted in the documentary with Lenard Nemoy...

The FBI would most likely detain him for a day or so, and the court system will probably give him probation at most..you do the crime you have to pay in some way..it wouldn't take him long to disappear again anyway..the media would hound him for sure..
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« Reply #2472 on: January 04, 2018, 05:00:36 PM »
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...Did anyone ever figure out who Al Di is? I noticed he used a different name on another thread....


The mystery surrounding the use of "Idla" on another Cooper website has been resolved. The moniker Idla was used by a poster here and known to many. It was not Al Di, who still remains unknown but is widely suspected to have been Curtis Eng..
 
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« Reply #2473 on: January 04, 2018, 11:43:56 PM »
Does anyone think this guy looks like the suspect sketch? 

PS He is someone of interest due to his connection to the titanium industry, who lived in Portland, and had a motive and was a competitive downhill skier, thus a risk taker.  Also the right age (41), height (6ft), and build (athletic).  I think the hair, lower lip and chin look very close.  He has the same dark wavy slicked back hair as Dan Cooper in the comics, which I find interesting.  He was on the board of directors of a company that produced titanium products for Boeing Supersonic Transport and he was had been recently sued for $200,000 for stock fraud and was being investigated by the SEC at the time of the hijacking.  So he had a grudge, as he told the stewardess.  As for skydiving experience, I do not know for sure but he had a good friend who served in the Air Force and used to fly in friends private planes, so he could have done some skydiving with friends.  He was never a criminal, so the FBI would not have had his fingerprints and he would not have been someone that would have been an obvious suspect.
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« Reply #2474 on: January 05, 2018, 12:05:46 AM »
He has a Clark Kent look to him, no?  So maybe a fascination with comic book heroes?