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0% Cooper lived
6 (9.4%)
25% Cooper lived
4 (6.3%)
35% Cooper lived.
2 (3.1%)
50% Cooper lived
14 (21.9%)
75% Cooper lived
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24 (37.5%)

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FLYJACK

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« Reply #2445 on: December 14, 2017, 11:42:00 AM »
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Locally, Oregon Metallurgical produced Titanium sponge in the late 1960's (during the life of Cooper's tie) and they cut 200 employees in 1971. Could one of those be Cooper??

"With a recession beginning, the market for titanium virtually disappeared the following year when Congress cut off funds to the Boeing Company, which was developing a U.S. version of the supersonic transport (SST), which was to have been a nearly all-titanium aircraft. Oremet was forced to mothball its new sponge plant. It also suspended research and development programs and cut its workforce by two-thirds, from more than 300 to barely more than 100 employees. Sales in 1971 fell to $8.3 million and Oremet posted its first loss, of nearly $2 million, in more than a decade."

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There is a Cooper's deli in Albany, 3 min from Oremet. It is in one of those old strip malls, don't know if it existed before 1971..
 

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« Reply #2446 on: December 14, 2017, 02:34:18 PM »
I wonder if they sell DB Cooper beer? I heard it was brewed in Portland. Read about it here, actually.
 

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« Reply #2447 on: December 15, 2017, 08:58:01 PM »
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I wonder if they sell DB Cooper beer? I heard it was brewed in Portland. Read about it here, actually.


Victor 23 pub in Vancouver....not sure if they are still in business..Facebook page is gone...

Victor 23 began as a home brewing project in Bryan Ward’s garage. In the evenings after work Bryan would invite his friends to gather at his house and sample his newest creations. Bryan’s home-brewed beers gained him quite a few fans, and his friends encouraged him to take his product to market.

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« Reply #2448 on: December 16, 2017, 04:33:58 AM »
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Locally, Oregon Metallurgical produced Titanium sponge in the late 1960's (during the life of Cooper's tie) and they cut 200 employees in 1971. Could one of those be Cooper??

"With a recession beginning, the market for titanium virtually disappeared the following year when Congress cut off funds to the Boeing Company, which was developing a U.S. version of the supersonic transport (SST), which was to have been a nearly all-titanium aircraft. Oremet was forced to mothball its new sponge plant. It also suspended research and development programs and cut its workforce by two-thirds, from more than 300 to barely more than 100 employees. Sales in 1971 fell to $8.3 million and Oremet posted its first loss, of nearly $2 million, in more than a decade."

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There is a Cooper's deli in Albany, 3 min from Oremet. It is in one of those old strip malls, don't know if it existed before 1971..

Several of those laid off Boeing employees ended up in eastern Washington, taking any jobs they could find -- sometimes menial labor.  I remember sitting in a math class, in eastern Washington -- my home town,  and we were trying to solve a math problem.  The janitor, a laid off Boeing employee, quietly listened as he was cleaning  the room.  After our lengthy discussion and confusion, he uttered two sentences, problem solved.  Done.
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« Reply #2449 on: December 19, 2017, 12:43:52 PM »
 
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« Reply #2450 on: December 19, 2017, 02:01:13 PM »
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Dr. Palmer seems very nonchalant in this clip; it's so weird he suggests it came to the bar like driftwood when he's practically standing in the trenches where the shards were being pulled.
 

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« Reply #2451 on: December 19, 2017, 02:54:19 PM »
I don't know if he was under the impression that the money would float?
 

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« Reply #2452 on: December 19, 2017, 11:12:13 PM »
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Dr. Palmer seems very nonchalant in this clip; it's so weird he suggests it came to the bar like driftwood when he's practically standing in the trenches where the shards were being pulled.

Any chance of getting a copy of this video? It offers a perspective of the sandbar unseen to date.

I honestly dont know what to make of this guy either. I guess he finds washed up money on Columbia sandbars every day! Maybe you could buy bundles of money at your local Hobby Shop and float em on over to Tina Bar for lunch? A favorite local hobby?
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« Reply #2453 on: December 20, 2017, 06:12:00 AM »
At the start of the video they are right where the money was found...a metal rod can be seen marking the exact location. Palmer talking on the beach is about 100 yard north of the location.

It appears that they admit the search locations were probably wrong all the way back in 1980...
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« Reply #2454 on: December 21, 2017, 11:07:14 AM »
Revisiting the tie particles...

Almost all of them are related to Dentistry, specifically a dental lab, including Yittrium and CP Titanium.

 

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« Reply #2455 on: December 21, 2017, 12:25:14 PM »
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Revisiting the tie particles...

Almost all of them are related to Dentistry, specifically a dental lab, including Yittrium and CP Titanium.

What particle attribution software are you using? NISTPAC ?
 

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« Reply #2456 on: December 22, 2017, 01:44:10 PM »
Found this old pic of the counter area inside Portland airport circa 1971. Not Northwest Orient (Western Airlines I believe) but gives us the flavor and look of the times.
Enjoy  :)
 
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« Reply #2457 on: January 03, 2018, 04:38:31 PM »
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Found this old pic of the counter area inside Portland airport circa 1971. Not Northwest Orient (Western Airlines I believe) but gives us the flavor and look of the times.
Enjoy  :)
Thank you, David! I am researching for fiction and wanted to know what the interior of the airport looked like. I'm not within range of Portland to go researching their public archives that aren't on the Internet. Some other online sleuths had also wondered about the height of the counters. While I doubt Cooper would have filled in his own ticket, this does show adequate space for a passenger to write something. Some airline counters in other airports did not have enough space and the ticket agents were seated lower. Any further photos of the interior of the Portland airport (or Portland in general) in that era would be much appreciated.
 

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« Reply #2458 on: January 03, 2018, 04:44:35 PM »
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Found this old pic of the counter area inside Portland airport circa 1971. Not Northwest Orient (Western Airlines I believe) but gives us the flavor and look of the times.
Enjoy  :)
Thank you, David! I am researching for fiction and wanted to know what the interior of the airport looked like. I'm not within range of Portland to go researching their public archives that aren't on the Internet. Some other online sleuths had also wondered about the height of the counters. While I doubt Cooper would have filled in his own ticket, this does show adequate space for a passenger to write something. Some airline counters in other airports did not have enough space and the ticket agents were seated lower. Any further photos of the interior of the Portland airport (or Portland in general) in that era would be much appreciated.

I was too young in 1971, but I'm sure some airlines might be different..it always seems to be off record when things like this occur? we have a ticket agent that worked for NW state the passengers didn't fill out the tickets in any way.."the FBI told me this, or that" doesn't fly with me...Cooper would of known a copy is left behind...
 
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« Reply #2459 on: January 03, 2018, 05:04:29 PM »
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Found this old pic of the counter area inside Portland airport circa 1971. Not Northwest Orient (Western Airlines I believe) but gives us the flavor and look of the times.
Enjoy  :)
Thank you, David! I am researching for fiction and wanted to know what the interior of the airport looked like. I'm not within range of Portland to go researching their public archives that aren't on the Internet. Some other online sleuths had also wondered about the height of the counters. While I doubt Cooper would have filled in his own ticket, this does show adequate space for a passenger to write something. Some airline counters in other airports did not have enough space and the ticket agents were seated lower. Any further photos of the interior of the Portland airport (or Portland in general) in that era would be much appreciated.

I was too young in 1971, but I'm sure some airlines might be different..it always seems to be off record when things like this occur? we have a ticket agent that worked for NW state the passengers didn't fill out the tickets in any way.."the FBI told me this, or that" doesn't fly with me...Cooper would of known a copy is left behind...
I straight-up don't think someone that fussy about collecting the matchbook and notes would leave a handwriting sample behind for no very good reason. As for the notes sent later to newspapers - one was handwritten, but in a way that suggests to me the writer was using his non-dominant hand. That's a slightly educated guess based on years of correcting papers, a left-handed best friend, and an ambidextrous dad; a proper handwriting analyst could tell you. I go back and forth on whether the letters were written by Cooper, but they link to each other in ways that suggest they could have been written by the same person travelling almost straight up and down the west coast between Vancouver BC and Sacramento.

Whether letter 5 was written by Cooper or not, though, I think it's a good assumption he'd have wiped the area for fingerprints. I liked a previous poster's out-of-box idea he might have used the tie to do it, though honestly there would have been like a hundred napkins on that plane - and what analysis has been done on the towel that was found?

Of course, they can't even be 100% sure the tie is Cooper's. I assume it is simply because the case attracted so much publicity, even passengers who de-planed before Cooper boarded would have taken some notice of the case. I think anyone would have stepped up and said, "Sorry, that's my tie, my wife gave it to me and I always hated it and thought I'd ditch it. Who knew? My bad." Again, conjecture. You learn in life it's hard enough to understand your own thought processes or actions 100%, let alone anyone else's. ;)