You people seem to be looking for perfection. You aren't going to find this in witness accounts. Different people have different accounts over the whole time span from when 305 boarded at Portland then finally landed (in some chaos) at SEA. People were in motion, lots of things going on ... all seen from different perspectives depending on who and where you were. Some people didn't think anything unusual was going on, others thought there was a mechanical problem, and several were sure a hijacking was in progress especially after the plane landed and thetre was a lot of hushed commotion and passengers were not allowed to leave immediately, then money arrived in a large bag and was dragged to the back of the plane, and word spread from the front of the plane that parachutes had been brought on board too and were sitting just back of the cockpit! It was a relief for most when passengers were allowed to leave but that even turned into chaos with strange FBI people all over the place !

X - obviously Cooper occupied different seats at different times, reported by different people.

X - the amount of time  Cooper spent in the lav varies drastically according to who and where you were.

X - different accounts of glasses-on vs. glasses-off by different people.

and the list goes on! You aren't going to find total agreement. It doesn't exist! But, you can drive people crazy insisting it be there short of some massive conspiracy between the FBI and the alignment of all of the planets in the Universe headlined by somebody's daily reports on the subject (with a lot of smirking going on in the background at all the public attention somebody is getting) !

The description of Cooper is a kind of 'consensus' description.



  

       

Georger, no offense, but you post a lot on a public forum for a guy who has issues with publicity seekers. And with a lot of exclamation points. The "you people" you are talking about actually includes you, and the perfection you seek is so obvious "a blind man" could see it. Lay off, will ya? We're just having some fun talking about a case that's gonna go unsolved and unpunished anyway.

I'm still stumbling around all of these details you have memorized. I get that it's frustrating for the older brother to listen to the kid brother talk about Santa Claus when he knows there is none, but really, just let us have our Christmas morning. I'll buy you an egg nog.

Regardless of the variance in physical descriptions, I still think they are more important to the case than anything regarding the parachutes, save their recovery. Just my opinion. My far less informed opinion. So yeah, witness account = very flawed, but still worth driving you crazy over.

P.S. - I am loving your inclusion of all of the PDF documents. Thanks!

I don't specifically see you as a publicity-seeker, no, but there's something in this for you that's beyond the satisfaction of finishing a crossword puzzle. In the past many of your posts have made me angry, because I feel you get too personal, often nasty. If there was nothing in you that liked the publicity, I believe you might choose to send your more exasperated and sarcastic comments to people by way of personal message instead of humiliating them publicly. I do, however, want to compliment you where I feel you deserve it so that you know I'm not simply a hater of sorts. I value you and what you have to say when it is on-subject.

One of the hooks of this case, for me, is the stupid belief that I can somehow help the people who seem to be in limbo on this board and others. I look at guys like Jerry Thomas, who from all I've read seems to have literally been walking the woods for decades looking for Cooper's money or corpse, something that I believe is not there, and I see a second generation of Cooper's victims. People he has doomed to remain in limbo until they can scratch the itch his childish holdup has given them. I feel a great deal of sympathy for the average Cooper sleuth, because I know what it is like to both fall asleep and wake up thinking about suspects. So I just don't enjoy seeing people's thoughts & input minimized and their feelings hurt - not when I feel they, too are Cooper's victims. If he didn't do this crime, none of us would waste our time like this. Right or wrong, silly or scientific, I don't think anyone's opinions here are so terrible that they need to be told off for wasting another person's time. It comes off - to me - like bashing a victim for being victimized.

Thanks for listening.

Thanks for listening.

You're welcome, Un - Sure Lock. Keep posting.

We're all in this together. Insomniacs, grumpy grandpas, super sleuths, Young Bucks, Know-It-Alls, etc....

Fingerprints

In today's news blast from Tom Colbert he says that only 11 sets of partial fingerprints were recovered from the back of Flight 305. Yet, I see reports of up to 66 sets of partials. In fact, I recalled Larry Carr saying something along those lines at the DZ.

Anybody have any more definitive information on the fingerprints?

Also, it is my understanding that regardless of how many sets of fingerprints none have produced anything of value. Correct?

Further, any thoughts on how DB Cooper spent five hours on an airplane and didn't leave any substantive fingerprints anywhere? Nor did he wear gloves. Did he wipe down the plane before he left? Whaddayathink?

Whaddayathink? Did you not read my posts/docs on this? Whaddayathink?

Notomentionthefact that "sets of fingerprints" is ambiguous. Whaddayathink you meant?

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Fingerprints

In today's news blast from Tom Colbert he says that only 11 sets of partial fingerprints were recovered from the back of Flight 305. Yet, I see reports of up to 66 sets of partials. In fact, I recalled Larry Carr saying something along those lines at the DZ.

Anybody have any more definitive information on the fingerprints?

Also, it is my understanding that regardless of how many sets of fingerprints none have produced anything of value. Correct?

Further, any thoughts on how DB Cooper spent five hours on an airplane and didn't leave any substantive fingerprints anywhere? Nor did he wear gloves. Did he wipe down the plane before he left? Whaddayathink?

Well I feel like I've been gone for like a year. You get Reassignes at work and next thing you know you're way behind in DB world. Geeze!

Bruce - just from reading the last few posts about the fingerprints; I'm thinking that he might have had like a glue or wax over his fingertips. I agree; 5 hours and change and no prints. Seems kind of odd. I feel that might be the most logical answer here. I mean unless Duane left some prints on the aft stairs...

HAPPY DBC WEEK EVERYONE!!!!!!

Or he spent a lot of time wiping everything down after Tina went to the cockpit.

Happy Anniversary to you, too, J La.

Whaddayathink about the palm prints?  Whaddayathink about the lab reports? Whaddayathink about the Cofelt and McCoy comparisons?

Fingerprints

In today's news blast from Tom Colbert he says that only 11 sets of partial fingerprints were recovered from the back of Flight 305. Yet, I see reports of up to 66 sets of partials. In fact, I recalled Larry Carr saying something along those lines at the DZ.

Anybody have any more definitive information on the fingerprints?

Also, it is my understanding that regardless of how many sets of fingerprints none have produced anything of value. Correct?

Further, any thoughts on how DB Cooper spent five hours on an airplane and didn't leave any substantive fingerprints anywhere? Nor did he wear gloves. Did he wipe down the plane before he left? Whaddayathink?

I realise it is pointless to expect you will change your claims -

Here's the source of TC or somebody else's claim, just one doc, I attach below. There are numerous other docs.

I already posted about this days ago - you ignored that!

I could explain more but Im not even going to bother.

Rackstraw's age still makes me skeptical. On most other points he is a great fit, especially being an appropriately trained, aviation minded, cunning and resourceful sociopath. Also Rackstraw had a BIG grudge.

Yup, Snow found that letter years ago. Little escapes the Snowfall. Snowmman is doing well but I just can't get him interested in returning to the VORTEX.

Anyone hear from Jerry? he used to be such a regular in the Vortex. I wish Farflung would ping us and let us know he is OK. Just vanished.

Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends on the forum, and a special thanks to Shutter who not only provides the robust platform, but somehow maintains order amidst chaos. Dave rocks. 

And a Happy Thanksgiving to those excluded but who still read this forum. Jo has been on death's door for years now and is still going strong. That's something to be thankful for.

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Yes. I miss Joseph Fraunhofer and Columbus!