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... Even if Cossey was less than 100% truthful, its likely the FBI wasn't colluding and conspiring and...

But what does that say about the FBI? They hired a guy who wasn't 100% truthful, and established him as their go-to-guy for 40 years?

Would you hire me if I wasn't 100% truthful? Would you buy my book if you knew it wasn't 100% truthful? That's not to say that my writing is 100% accurate, but it is 100% free of deception.

Aren't we talking about recent findings, after Cossey's death, that (possibly) bring a few fibs to light? I don't think they would have worked with him if he was obviously lying.  And it's not like that's a hard thing to do. If the FBI could detect lies easily, there wouldn't be a charge for lying to the FBI.

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... Even if Cossey was less than 100% truthful, its likely the FBI wasn't colluding and conspiring and...

But what does that say about the FBI? They hired a guy who wasn't 100% truthful, and established him as their go-to-guy for 40 years?

Would you hire me if I wasn't 100% truthful? Would you buy my book if you knew it wasn't 100% truthful? That's not to say that my writing is 100% accurate, but it is 100% free of deception.

Aren't we talking about recent findings, after Cossey's death, that (possibly) bring a few fibs to light? I don't think they would have worked with him if he was obviously lying.  And it's not like that's a hard thing to do. If the FBI could detect lies easily, there wouldn't be a charge for lying to the FBI.

Here's the rub:

1. The documentation that Norman Hayden provided the back parachutes upon the request of George Harrison is well-established in FBI docs, testimony to others, the accounts rendered by Barry Halstad and Pacific Aviation, and the courts in which Hayden sued the FBI to get his "not used" parachute returned.

All this existed from the 1971 period onward, and over time has gained greater credibility, ie: the Washington State Historical Museum's interview with Hayden, the collection of Harrison's notes and paperwork, and related family and collegial accounts - such as the NWO guys at the Freight Desk.

2. In contrast we have zilch on Cossey's ownership outside of Cossey's statements. Yet, Cossey is the one who was welcomed into the FBI's bosom, was paid to consult, and was presented to the world as their tech expert on parachutes.

So - how does that happen?

Do you think the FBI just got fooled by a con man? Or did they realize that Cossey might be an asset - perhaps in a covert way - albeit one with lots of warts.

Go ahead, Unsure - let your imagination run wild. Give us a few scenarios that could explain how Earl Cossey could have said and done all the things that he did, and yet managed to maintain the FBI's confidence for 40 years.

In addition, I have a special request: please include a rationalization for an agent, or the Bureau, that they could have offered to justify how they hired a guy - who by his own testimony - sent the parachutes to the wrong airport. Would you hire a guy like that?

Bureaucracy. I think that answers your question very tightly in that you can't control, explain or predict it.

Bruce, I am with you that some folks shielded a bit of truth from view, but I am not ready to say it was some kind of malignant plot. Not based on a disagreement on who owned the parachutes that the FBI didn't want to give back. I truly believe that nobody in the Bureau between the Himmelsbach and Carr eras really gave a rat's about the Cooper case. That also answers your question. It wasn't likely to get anybody killed if they didn't solve it, so they just didn't care the way you do. I've seen Tina Muckow's story bring you to tears, man. That's caring. Doing a job everyday where Norjack is one case in a pile of cases may desensitize your average G-man, especially when they think it was a happy ending (dead bad guy).

I don't think my giving the Bureau a reasonable benefit of the doubt is too big a crime.  I hope you don't either. I don't exactly trust them, but I don't know enough to condemn them as villains or even screw-ups. Solving 1,999 out of 2,000 ain't bad. What I do know is that the FBI isn't a large organism with a centralized brain and nervous system. It's a loose network of fiefdoms with localized files & compartmentalized information and new-hires up the wazoo. In fact, the entirety of the FBI has been replaced probably 2-3 times over since this skyjacking, so case continuity is a problem. If the info about the Dan Cooper comic - which was apparently communicated to the U.S. Government just after the hijacking by foreign agencies - can be lost, forgotten and re-discovered from outside sources by a new case agent decades later, so can info about Cossey.

This is asked respectfully, but do you think there's zero chance that it was just Cossey grabbing a little more spotlight with that "my parachutes" story? That's the first thing that comes to my mind. The "oops, wrong airfield" thing is a different story. He really never answered that?

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Bureaucracy. I think that answers your question very tightly in that you can't control, explain or predict it.

Bruce, I am with you that some folks shielded a bit of truth from view, but I am not ready to say it was some kind of malignant plot. Not based on a disagreement on who owned the parachutes that the FBI didn't want to give back. I truly believe that nobody in the Bureau between the Himmelsbach and Carr eras really gave a rat's about the Cooper case. That also answers your question. It wasn't likely to get anybody killed if they didn't solve it, so they just didn't care the way you do. I've seen Tina Muckow's story bring you to tears, man. That's caring. Doing a job everyday where Norjack is one case in a pile of cases may desensitize your average G-man, especially when they think it was a happy ending (dead bad guy).

I don't think my giving the Bureau a reasonable benefit of the doubt is too big a crime.  I hope you don't either. I don't exactly trust them, but I don't know enough to condemn them as villains or even screw-ups. Solving 1,999 out of 2,000 ain't bad. What I do know is that the FBI isn't a large organism with a centralized brain and nervous system. It's a loose network of fiefdoms with localized files & compartmentalized information and new-hires up the wazoo. In fact, the entirety of the FBI has been replaced probably 2-3 times over since this skyjacking, so case continuity is a problem. If the info about the Dan Cooper comic - which was apparently communicated to the U.S. Government just after the hijacking by foreign agencies - can be lost, forgotten and re-discovered from outside sources by a new case agent decades later, so can info about Cossey.

This is asked respectfully, but do you think there's zero chance that it was just Cossey grabbing a little more spotlight with that "my parachutes" story? That's the first thing that comes to my mind. The "oops, wrong airfield" thing is a different story. He really never answered that?

I generally agree with your analysis of the FBI and human nature, Unsure. Except for giving the Bureau a Mulligan on embracing Earl Cossey for 40 years. Cossey's deceit was too obvious for too long for it to be an "oopsie," imho.

I suspect that other dynamics were playing out under the surface. For instance: Cossey was a loose-cannon kind of guy. He walked around Seattle on a daily basis with wads of cash in his pocket. 50K by one estimate a gambling buddy told me. Another friend of Cossey's - Ralph Hatley - told me that Coss got started in life with a ton o' moolah that he gathered by embezzling real estate properties from his mother. In addition, a former student of Coss' at Leota Middle School has strongly encouraged me to investigate WHY Coss left Leota. I won't say any more on that speculative angle, but if Coss was involved in some really nasty business the FBI may have known about him for a very long time and had him on a leash to perform all sorts of covert stuff.

In essence, we're just getting started on the relationship between Earl Cossey and the FBI. It may be helpful to think of Coss as a long-term CI.

It's also helpful, in my view, to keep ahold of the dynamic that Coss swore that he never met Norman Hayden when that seems simply implausible. Also that he never met or knew Sheridan Peterson, and that Petey never knew Coss. That's a lot of squirrelly guys not knowing each other when most people would say they are lying. What secrets are they hiding. Or were hiding.

Also remember, Coss was murdered by a Blunt-Force-Trauma blow to the head. Not a double tap from a Glock 9. That suggests that somebody really was pissed at Cossey in April 2013.

Bruce,

Let's do some checking here.  You say Cossey ran around with $50,000 cash in his pocket.  Assuming that this cash was in $100 bills, that would mean 500 bills.  That is about the size of five bundles of the airline loot.  Just exactly in which pocket did Cossey carry all these bills.  It could not have been his pants pocket.

If the FBI had information that Cossey was involved in embezzling real estate properties from his mother or anyone else, they would have taken the appropriate action.  Also, your obvious suggestion that Cossey was involved in child abuse, if true, would have prompted very fast legal consequences.  You also seemed to think that Blevins' Cooper candidate was involved in child abuse.  Are you trying to tell us something?

Further, Cossey would not necessarily ever meet Hayden even though he packed his parachutes.  Hayden could drop them off at Sky Sports or where ever and Cossey could then pack them at his convenience and Hayden could pick them up at his convenience.

The only thing that Cossey's being killed by a blunt instrument, instead of being shot, means is that less noise was generated.

You need to get your hyperactive imagination fixed.

Speaking of Blevins..he has been stating for years that they never checked the employees...

Since you can't see the file.robert. it states that in December they were looking at all male employees from nwo in the Seattle and Portland areas...

R99 wrote: "Further, Cossey would not necessarily ever meet Hayden even though he packed his parachutes.  Hayden could drop them off at Sky Sports or where ever and Cossey could then pack them at his convenience and Hayden could pick them up at his convenience."

True, and I witnessed this activity a couple of weeks ago when I jumped. A group of acro pilots (like Norman) dropped off their rigs for repacks at the Byron CA DZ and had no interaction with the rigger at all. Skydivers, however, interact extensively with their riggers.  They want to know WHO is working on their gear. There are good riggers (careful, meticulous) and some who aren't so good.

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According to the files and WSHM Cossey had no direct involvement with any of these others. See attached.

Its clear from the FBI files the FBI didn't originally know who Cossey was. They only found out later Cossey had packed the chutes and had personal knowledge of them. The FBI learned that from a reporter. The FBI then sent agents to find Cossey to establish contact ...

If B.S. thinks there is more, actual crimes, he needs to contact the Justice Dept or Wash State Attorney etc. I have a feeling B.S.'s allegations are already known to them. B.S. has now entered the big leagues. 

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R99 wrote: "Further, Cossey would not necessarily ever meet Hayden even though he packed his parachutes.  Hayden could drop them off at Sky Sports or where ever and Cossey could then pack them at his convenience and Hayden could pick them up at his convenience."

True, and I witnessed this activity a couple of weeks ago when I jumped. A group of acro pilots (like Norman) dropped off their rigs for repacks at the Byron CA DZ and had no interaction with the rigger at all. Skydivers, however, interact extensively with their riggers.  They want to know WHO is working on their gear. There are good riggers (careful, meticulous) and some who aren't so good.

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According to the files and WSHM Cossey had no direct involvement with any of these others. See attached.

Its clear from the FBI files the FBI didn't originally know who Cossey was. They only found out later Cossey had packed the chutes and had personal knowledge of them. The FBI learned that from a reporter. The FBI then sent agents to find Cossey to establish contact ...

If B.S. thinks there is more, actual crimes, he needs to contact the Justice Dept or Wash State Attorney etc. I have a feeling B.S.'s allegations are already known to them. B.S. has now entered the big leagues.

Let me propose a scenario which involves a total of two back parachutes and two chest packs.

1.  George Harrison, NWA Station Chief at SEATAC, discovered that he needed two back pack parachutes and two chest pack parachutes.  Harrison got in touch with Barry Halstead, at "Pacific Aviation at Boeing Field", this is NOT SEATAC.  Harrison states that two back chutes were obtained through Halstead. 

2.  Either Halstead or someone at Seattle Sky Sports knew that Norman Hayden had two emergency back chutes.  One of them got in touch with Hayden and explained the need.  Hayden states that he was furnishing them to NWA, which is true.  Hayden apparently had the parachutes at his home or shop.  Instead of delivering the chutes himself to whatever point he was directed to, Hayden called a taxi and had it deliver the chutes to "Boeing Flight Service, Seattle", again this is NOT SEATAC and is probably Boeing Field.

3.  There is no explanation in the notes as to how the two back chutes got from Boeing Field to SEATAC.

4.  Lynn Emerick of Seattle Sky Sports indicates that the two chest packs were transported directly from Sky Sports to SEATAC by a Washington State Highway Patrolman.

This is about the best explanation of the events related to the parachutes.  The hijacking in Portland took place about 3:00PM and all the parachutes were at the NWA cargo office at SEATAC a few minutes after 5:00 PM.  So everyone had to do a lot of scrambling in those 2:00+ hours.  No receipts were given or written records kept.  Some of the facility names were probably not correctly known when the write-ups were done, maybe days after the fact.

   

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R99 wrote: "Further, Cossey would not necessarily ever meet Hayden even though he packed his parachutes.  Hayden could drop them off at Sky Sports or where ever and Cossey could then pack them at his convenience and Hayden could pick them up at his convenience."

True, and I witnessed this activity a couple of weeks ago when I jumped. A group of acro pilots (like Norman) dropped off their rigs for repacks at the Byron CA DZ and had no interaction with the rigger at all. Skydivers, however, interact extensively with their riggers.  They want to know WHO is working on their gear. There are good riggers (careful, meticulous) and some who aren't so good.

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According to the files and WSHM Cossey had no direct involvement with any of these others. See attached.

Its clear from the FBI files the FBI didn't originally know who Cossey was. They only found out later Cossey had packed the chutes and had personal knowledge of them. The FBI learned that from a reporter. The FBI then sent agents to find Cossey to establish contact ...

If B.S. thinks there is more, actual crimes, he needs to contact the Justice Dept or Wash State Attorney etc. I have a feeling B.S.'s allegations are already known to them. B.S. has now entered the big leagues.

Let me propose a scenario which involves a total of two back parachutes and two chest packs.

1.  George Harrison, NWA Station Chief at SEATAC, discovered that he needed two back pack parachutes and two chest pack parachutes.  Harrison got in touch with Barry Halstead, at "Pacific Aviation at Boeing Field", this is NOT SEATAC.  Harrison states that two back chutes were obtained through Halstead. 

2.  Either Halstead or someone at Seattle Sky Sports knew that Norman Hayden had two emergency back chutes.  One of them got in touch with Hayden and explained the need.  Hayden states that he was furnishing them to NWA, which is true.  Hayden apparently had the parachutes at his home or shop.  Instead of delivering the chutes himself to whatever point he was directed to, Hayden called a taxi and had it deliver the chutes to "Boeing Flight Service, Seattle", again this is NOT SEATAC and is probably Boeing Field.

3.  There is no explanation in the notes as to how the two back chutes got from Boeing Field to SEATAC.

4.  Lynn Emerick of Seattle Sky Sports indicates that the two chest packs were transported directly from Sky Sports to SEATAC by a Washington State Highway Patrolman.

This is about the best explanation of the events related to the parachutes.  The hijacking in Portland took place about 3:00PM and all the parachutes were at the NWA cargo office at SEATAC a few minutes after 5:00 PM.  So everyone had to do a lot of scrambling in those 2:00+ hours.  No receipts were given or written records kept.  Some of the facility names were probably not correctly known when the write-ups were done, maybe days after the fact.

'There is no explanation in the notes as to how the two back chutes got from Boeing Field to SEATAC.'

Actually there may be - the Pederson (sp?) audio interview? Did he say they were delivered by (two FBI guys?) to the NWA office "upstairs" and they brought them down to the Freight Office (where Pederson and his supervisor were waiting) ?

According to Pederson his supervisor then took the out to the plane along with the money. No mention of Al Lee and we questioned that ... isnt that correct?