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It sounds like we all need to work together and start our own database of evidence. what I mean is starting from the minute the plane took off. what was said, who said it etc. and put it into a locked thread..... A mythbuster thread....

These are Cooper’s exact words as spoken to Schaffner:
Cooper said to Schaffner; "Take this down. I want $200,000 by 5:00 PM in cash. Put it in a knapsack. I want two back parachutes and two front parachutes. When we land, I want a fuel truck ready to refuel. No funny stuff, or I'll do the job."

What happen to " negotiable American currency" ?

There have also been miscellaneous claims DBC specified he wanted $20 bills, and on the balance of information, I very much doubt he did.

I think your suggestion of starting our own database is the way to go. Go back to the beginning using first principals and lay it down as it really happened, or at least as it can be best verified. I'd suggest a new thread for the exercise to keep it lean and clean.

I forget things about the case all the time, and have to go searching for the answers. I'm trying to set everything up here so it can be a "one stop shop" for Cooper. making everything easily accessible to all. The DZ has a lot of good stuff on it, but it's hard to file through all of the crap. I'm an old school type of guy, but not with this forum. we have a lot better technology to use here. I'm trying to take advantage of everything. sometimes I screw the forum up (not knowing what i'm doing) and the forum goes down  but, I get right back on the horse and keep trotting.

I'm all ears on how to go about doing this. I just thought of it, so it's not something I had planned. let's see what others have to say, and go from that point.

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Hardly any of it makes any sense. they have never spoken of any suspects turning up by checking the prints. I believe if not mistaken they get several hits on a good print, and they have to determine which print is the right one by an expert over the computer. how many prints do they have after narrowing some of them down that were explained. If they have a good full print of Cooper do we rule out he was never arrested, or in the military?

Nobody in this Country has come forward missing a brother, or father during this period except Vicki. she has ran into many walls over this. I think Vicki could add more about the problems with the red tape and missing persons. I doubt any data bases have been checked outside the U.S. especially back in the 70's.

I think if we knew what his actual grudge was it could of helped in many ways understanding who Cooper was.

If the FBI ran the prints of Cooper in the IAFIS system, they would not be able to run them against the military prints. There are different databases within the system, but the only prints they could legally/ethically compare with are the prints uploaded to the system of people who have been arrested or have a criminal record. This is if all prints from the past were uploaded.

Many old fingerprint cards were never uploaded because they old cases were closed. I was told this by a US Marshal in Central Wisconsin. In addition, I have not received an answer from anyone in the law enforcement field saying if my dad's prints were ever uploaded. If the FBI had a good suspect they could pull the military prints to compare.

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Reading the IAFIS link from the FBI makes me wonder if Cooper's prints are uploaded into the latent database files....

Vicki, here is my complete fingerprint record:

1.  Fingerprinted at about the age of 16 so that I could fly as a passenger of USAF aircraft.

2.  Fingerprints and a passport type photograph provided to the Federal Aviation Administration at about the age of 17 which was required for the issuance of an Airman's Identification Card (which are no longer required).

3.  Fingerprinted by the US Military when starting active duty.

4.  Worked for several different US Government organizations and was fingerprinted with each change of organization.

I have never been arrested and do not have a criminal record.

As I understand your remarks, even today the FBI would not necessarily have a copy of my fingerprints in their organizational files.

Is the above correct?

Robert99

When I spoke to my liaison at NamUs we discussed the IAFIS System when I asked if the prints uploaded by NamUs could be compared to the criminal databases. She exclaimed that the federal depository for prints had several databases. Missing person prints are uploaded and only checked when a unknown corpse needs to be identified (this is the database my father's prints were uploaded to). She explained that military prints were kept in a separate database as opposed to the criminal database. When latent prints from a crime scene are searched, they are only searched against the criminal database. I had my prints taken for a federal criminal background check and once they were run against the criminal database, they were destroyed and not cataloged.  Military prints are cataloged for casualties of war. Government prints are cataloged for security reasons and stored in their own separate database.

The CODIS DNA system is similar. I asked our NamUs liaison if they could run my brother and my DNA against the criminal side. She told me it is only run against the database of missing persons.

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Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 534 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login), the FBI acquires, collects, classifies, and preserves identification, criminal identification, crime, and other records and exchanges such records and information with, and for the official use of, authorized officials of the Government, including the United States Sentencing Commission, the States, cities, and penal and other institutions. Since 1924, the FBI has collected, preserved, classified, and exchanged fingerprint records in support of its identification activities and the activities of other Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. Categories of fingerprints currently maintained in the Fingerprint Identification Record System (FIRS) includes: criminal fingerprints, federal applicants and employees, United States military, aliens, and those submitted to the FBI by persons desiring to have their fingerprints placed on record for personal identification purposes. Additionally, fingerprints of military detainees and other persons of national security interest are now being collected for national security purposes.

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So, your prints could be on the database. Not the criminal database that I originally referred to. 

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It sounds like we all need to work together and start our own database of evidence. what I mean is starting from the minute the plane took off. what was said, who said it etc. and put it into a locked thread..... A mythbuster thread....

These are Cooper’s exact words as spoken to Schaffner:
Cooper said to Schaffner; "Take this down. I want $200,000 by 5:00 PM in cash. Put it in a knapsack. I want two back parachutes and two front parachutes. When we land, I want a fuel truck ready to refuel. No funny stuff, or I'll do the job."

What happen to " negotiable American currency" ?

There have also been miscellaneous claims DBC specified he wanted $20 bills, and on the balance of information, I very much doubt he did.

I think your suggestion of starting our own database is the way to go. Go back to the beginning using first principals and lay it down as it really happened, or at least as it can be best verified. I'd suggest a new thread for the exercise to keep it lean and clean.

I forget things about the case all the time, and have to go searching for the answers...

So do I. Someone asks me something and when I can't answer it straight out they say "haven't you read a pile of books on this?"

Truth is the more you read on DBC the more confused you get. You end up answering people's question with "which answer would you like to hear?"

That is your admission ticket into "Cooper Royalty"! You pass with honors! Congrats! You are now a full-fledged member of the Cooper Royalty with all privileges and responsibilities thereof.  I love it! 

georger says......

Surely all data bases can be searched, if warranted. ? Just an assumption on my part.

If warranted......so can homes, businesses, cell phones, computers, vehicles etc. with probable cause and/or a search warrant.

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Surely all data bases can be searched, if warranted. ? Just an assumption on my part.

If warranted......so can homes, businesses, cell phones, computers, vehicles etc. with probable cause and/or a search warrant.

Let me just say it would be a revelation (to me) if all databases Stateside weren't searched by somebody, in the search for Cooper. But, I have been known to assume things that all too often turn out not to be true ... like the car I just bought from a local longtime high end auto dealer ... and it turns out today they don't even have a title from the former owner for the vehicle!?    Come on guys!    Ding ding... DOT? Is it legal for _____________ to sell cars without having any title?  We paid cash. ..........................

I posted on your post....sorry.

some states require it as a law. I worked in a used car lot my brother in law had. what a joke it is with the things they cover up. the car you purchased could of just been acquired through another owner, or auction.

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Surely all data bases can be searched, if warranted. ? Just an assumption on my part.

If warranted......so can homes, businesses, cell phones, computers, vehicles etc. with probable cause and/or a search warrant.

Let me just say it would be a revelation (to me) if all databases Stateside weren't searched by somebody, in the search for Cooper. But, I have been known to assume things that all too often turn out not to be true ... like the car I just bought from a local longtime high end auto dealer ... and it turns out today they don't even have a title from the former owner for the vehicle!?    Come on guys!    Ding ding... DOT? Is it legal for _____________ to sell cars without having any title?  We paid cash. ..........................

I agree there was a heavy search for Cooper in the 70's. However, as you may have seen in the FBI fingerprint vault video shutter posted, the fingerprint database was massive. In addition, the FBI states they have unknown latent prints and partials. If .....IF...(IF) the FBI, or another authorized authority, have searched in recent years I would suspect they would need a judge to sign a warrant for such a search. That ol' "fruit of the poisonous tree" thingy.

Sorry about the car...can you force a title at the DMV with the bill of sale?

Perhaps part of the reason for the apparent lack of urgency in attempting to solve this case is the negligible risk DBC might pose to the public at approximately age 90 - assuming he's still alive of course.

Jo Weber is now claiming that she spent a 20 that had the name Dan Cooper written on it. Amazing.

I seen it. I'm waiting on her to say she had the briefcase, but the airlines lost it 

Jo Weber is now claiming that she spent a 20 that had the name Dan Cooper written on it. Amazing.

Perhaps the handwriting matches her own