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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

0% Cooper lived
6 (9.4%)
25% Cooper lived
4 (6.3%)
35% Cooper lived.
2 (3.1%)
50% Cooper lived
14 (21.9%)
75% Cooper lived
14 (21.9%)
100 Cooper lived
24 (37.5%)

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2145 on: June 09, 2017, 09:32:16 AM »
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In your apparently very thorough research of this matter

Did I just get patronized by one who swears a pair of poof lovers did the caper, bamboozled by the incomplete statement "I have something to tell you, but I can't !!!". Now THAT is humor.   And if your time wasted is what is called research, getting it so wrong, then color me guilty.  But thank you nonetheless, for imagine my delight, as you've made my weekend !!!

#checkyourselffirst
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« Reply #2146 on: June 09, 2017, 11:42:05 AM »
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In your apparently very thorough research of this matter

Did I just get patronized by one who swears a pair of poof lovers did the caper, bamboozled by the incomplete statement "I have something to tell you, but I can't !!!". Now THAT is humor.   And if your time wasted is what is called research, getting it so wrong, then color me guilty.  But thank you nonetheless, for imagine my delight, as you've made my weekend !!!

#checkyourselffirst

Dice, do you know which planet you are on?  I don't know who is patronizing you, but it sure isn't me. ???

Are you possibly referring to Robert Blevins, an individual who is not on this web site? :))
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« Reply #2147 on: June 09, 2017, 12:03:41 PM »
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In your apparently very thorough research of this matter

Did I just get patronized by one who swears a pair of poof lovers did the caper, bamboozled by the incomplete statement "I have something to tell you, but I can't !!!". Now THAT is humor.   And if your time wasted is what is called research, getting it so wrong, then color me guilty.  But thank you nonetheless, for imagine my delight, as you've made my weekend !!!

#checkyourselffirst

Dice, do you know which planet you are on?  I don't know who is patronizing you, but it sure isn't me. ???

Are you possibly referring to Robert Blevins, an individual who is not on this web site? :))


Whoops   Somehow I thought Robert99 was Robert Blevins.  Requotes get muddled when typing from a phone with a small screen.  My apologies.  True, I have not done extensive research.
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« Reply #2148 on: June 09, 2017, 01:01:09 PM »
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In your apparently very thorough research of this matter

Did I just get patronized by one who swears a pair of poof lovers did the caper, bamboozled by the incomplete statement "I have something to tell you, but I can't !!!". Now THAT is humor.   And if your time wasted is what is called research, getting it so wrong, then color me guilty.  But thank you nonetheless, for imagine my delight, as you've made my weekend !!!

#checkyourselffirst

Dice, do you know which planet you are on?  I don't know who is patronizing you, but it sure isn't me. ???

Are you possibly referring to Robert Blevins, an individual who is not on this web site? :))


Whoops   thought it was Blevins.  Requotes get muddled when typing from a phone with a small screen.  My apologies.  True, I have not done extensive research.

All is forgiven.  We apparently have about the same opinion of Blevins, so we have something in common. :)  Please continue with your research.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2149 on: June 09, 2017, 03:52:00 PM »
Thanks Robert, for I didn't expect a pass... Though I do expect a lifelong one from Georger.....after all, my clan gave his Hayden Fry via Bump Elliott.... ;D
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« Reply #2150 on: June 09, 2017, 04:33:29 PM »
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Thanks Robert, for I didn't expect a pass... Though I do expect a lifelong one from Georger.....after all, my clan gave his Hayden Fry via Bump Elliott.... ;D

what!? whats this about Fry and Elliot?  ;)  Thats an automatic admission ticket in my world.
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« Reply #2151 on: June 09, 2017, 04:58:54 PM »
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what!? whats this about Fry and Elliot? 

Well, my alma mater Michigan had to let Coach Elliott go because he couldn't beat Woody at OSU, but we couldn't simply kick him upstairs, as he'd be looming over his replacement coach Bo, making it difficult   But we take of our own, so we essentially secured the AD position for him at Iowa.  It was there he hired Fry....
though I should acknowledge the return favor paid, when Elliott suggested that Bo hire a one Jack Harbaugh from Iowa's staff.   We are still reaping the dividends with his son...
...so thanks for paying it forward Georger !!!!
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« Reply #2152 on: June 09, 2017, 05:20:33 PM »
R 99 wrote: "Cooper didn't need to be a master criminal to hijack the airplane, get the money, and to get back into the air headed for who knows where.

But once Cooper separated from the airliner, NWA couldn't help him any more and he was confronted with Mother Nature who does not always cooperate in such cases.

Basically, the Cooper hijacking was a two-bit crime where he ended up falling through the cracks and disappearing.  There is no factual basis whatsoever for believing that Cooper survived the jump.
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Once you leave the plane, mother nature does her very best to kill you. After all, her sons Mr. Entropy and Mr. Gravity would prefer that you hit the ground at terminal velocity and turn into compost.  You do your best with parachute gear and skydiving skills to thwart those nasty boys, but it's not always successful. Add night, cold, possible lack of horizon during freefall, obscured landing hazards, etc. and your odds get worse.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2153 on: June 09, 2017, 05:36:33 PM »
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There is no factual basis whatsoever for believing that Cooper survived the jump.

Correct...however, if this caper was done by a vietnam commando planned operation , then, relatively speaking, it'd have been a walk in the park for them....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2154 on: June 09, 2017, 06:49:55 PM »

One thing about this case seems somewhat clear. We can eliminate the vision that Cooper died in the deep woods around Ariel and nothing of him or his remains have been found ! There's NO way that some of his loot could have ended up at Tina Bar unless of course some hunter or searcher found him and threw some $$ into the Columbia river for whatever reason. This seems remote,so I'm concluding that the original search area had to be wrong. Am I missing something ?
 

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« Reply #2155 on: June 09, 2017, 07:09:52 PM »
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One thing about this case seems somewhat clear. We can eliminate the vision that Cooper died in the deep woods around Ariel and nothing of him or his remains have been found ! There's NO way that some of his loot could have ended up at Tina Bar unless of course some hunter or searcher found him and threw some $$ into the Columbia river for whatever reason. This seems remote,so I'm concluding that the original search area had to be wrong. Am I missing something ?

Nope.  You got it right.

ADDENDUM:  Maybe I need to clarify a bit here.  IF Cooper landed in the original LZ, then someone would have to carry the money to Tina Bar.

But there is evidence that Cooper separated from the airliner almost directly overhead of Tina Bar.  If he was a no-pull, he could have then landed in a relatively small area that would move him and the money to Tina Bar during a subsequent high water event.  This is the only means for Cooper and the money to get to Tina Bar from the airliner with invoking human intervention of some kind.

The finding of a shard field underneath the bundles of bills is not easily explained.  However, I suggest that there was more grading and spreading out of sand at Tina Bar, not involving dredging, than has been documented. 
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« Reply #2156 on: June 09, 2017, 11:53:45 PM »
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One thing about this case seems somewhat clear. We can eliminate the vision that Cooper died in the deep woods around Ariel and nothing of him or his remains have been found ! There's NO way that some of his loot could have ended up at Tina Bar unless of course some hunter or searcher found him and threw some $$ into the Columbia river for whatever reason. This seems remote,so I'm concluding that the original search area had to be wrong. Am I missing something ?

R99 wont agree but ... Im still collating. Undecided.  :)
 

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« Reply #2157 on: June 09, 2017, 11:56:42 PM »
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what!? whats this about Fry and Elliot? 

Well, my alma mater Michigan had to let Coach Elliott go because he couldn't beat Woody at OSU, but we couldn't simply kick him upstairs, as he'd be looming over his replacement coach Bo, making it difficult   But we take of our own, so we essentially secured the AD position for him at Iowa.  It was there he hired Fry....
though I should acknowledge the return favor paid, when Elliott suggested that Bo hire a one Jack Harbaugh from Iowa's staff.   We are still reaping the dividends with his son...
...so thanks for paying it forward Georger !!!!

Damn. You do know half my family is in the UP. So I win on either count.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2158 on: June 10, 2017, 12:01:21 AM »
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One thing about this case seems somewhat clear. We can eliminate the vision that Cooper died in the deep woods around Ariel and nothing of him or his remains have been found ! There's NO way that some of his loot could have ended up at Tina Bar unless of course some hunter or searcher found him and threw some $$ into the Columbia river for whatever reason. This seems remote,so I'm concluding that the original search area had to be wrong. Am I missing something ?

Or unless he survived in the original lz and walked south then met the boys with the smelly cloths who relieved him of his cash and his life ... near the Columbia ... near Salmon Creek (in one of those hobo camps). Tom may have this right. Based on the lack of hard evidence at hand I still think it's too early to tell, and I hate having to take that position.   
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« Reply #2159 on: June 10, 2017, 12:54:36 AM »
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One thing about this case seems somewhat clear. We can eliminate the vision that Cooper died in the deep woods around Ariel and nothing of him or his remains have been found ! There's NO way that some of his loot could have ended up at Tina Bar unless of course some hunter or searcher found him and threw some $$ into the Columbia river for whatever reason. This seems remote,so I'm concluding that the original search area had to be wrong. Am I missing something ?

Or unless he survived in the original lz and walked south then met the boys with the smelly cloths who relieved him of his cash and his life ... near the Columbia ... near Salmon Creek (in one of those hobo camps). Tom may have this right. Based on the lack of hard evidence at hand I still think it's too early to tell, and I hate having to take that position.

My point mainly was that Cooper's body doesn't lay somewhere in the woods around Ariel. Yes I actually believe Coop could have very easily survived the jump and walked out undetected. As a matter of fact just yesterday I was visiting the Hobo camp that still exists today. I don't think Cooper was a easy mark however.