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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2100 on: June 05, 2017, 12:47:46 PM »
Not home at the moment but I believe it was several days after the hijacking.. will look once I return ..I think it's the file with 144 pages....

Update: document states it was at 3:30 pm on 11/26/71

page 38...116-cv-01790 – 164A-SE-81 Section 1, Part 2A (11-26-71 to 11-28-71; 114 pages)

Page 39 states that no such beacons known to have to been in operation, accidentally or for test purposes..
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« Reply #2101 on: June 05, 2017, 04:16:38 PM »
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It's all speculation at this point (when isn't it with this case)  :)), the more likely device used would be the VOR receiver to identify where he is, but again it's speculation he had such equipment, or that he needed it. the signals came from or near airports, and were in populated area's where the signal wouldn't be needed for emergencies unless he forgot to turn it off, but the signal would of been picked up earlier?

It's possible it could of got away with it in the first 12 hours depending on who wasn't listening for such a signal. lots of ham operators were listening in during the flight and were used to help pinpoint the landing zone according to Tom Kaye.

How - used to help pinpoint the landing zone according to Tom Kaye.   :))   Used by who? The Man on the Moon?  No record of any of this in AirForce documents! And they are the one's that did the fp analysis and LZ search map!

This is pretty far fetched if you ask me?    Any use of pulsars and quasars or the propellers on a Russian submarine in the DB Cooper case, according to Tom Kaye?  ;)

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2102 on: June 05, 2017, 04:27:42 PM »
I'll have to find his email about it, but he said they had several calling in the time frame of when he jumped, or believed to have jumped probably hearing the oscillation transmission.

I don't know, but it appears the Air Force supplied a flight path, and possibly NWO determined the jump time?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2103 on: June 05, 2017, 05:31:59 PM »
For the search trackers...

11/27/71...air ground search conducted woodland vicinity, Woodland, Washington, this date (27th) air search completed with negative results. ground search continuing 11/28/71

Portland division instituting air search, weather permitting am tomorrow on flight path from Portland to Eugene, Oregon.

search called off in Portland to Eugene due to weather...11/29/71

even though they were searching area's, they still didn't seem to have all the info needed...see attachment 11/28/71
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« Reply #2104 on: June 05, 2017, 11:45:08 PM »
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For the search trackers...

11/27/71...air ground search conducted woodland vicinity, Woodland, Washington, this date (27th) air search completed with negative results. ground search continuing 11/28/71

Portland division instituting air search, weather permitting am tomorrow on flight path from Portland to Eugene, Oregon.

search called off in Portland to Eugene due to weather...11/29/71

even though they were searching area's, they still didn't seem to have all the info needed...see attachment 11/28/71

Note the date of yours attached - 11/24 ... 71. No time given but it almost had to have been after 8:11 pm pst on the 24th. It may have even been before 305 landed at Reno and crew was debriefed! It may have been based on crew communications with people before 305 even landed at Reno. A search area was already in the works ... people wanted to know in order to act.

Things are happening here faster than I can work. Still processing old (new to me) files, plus having to deal with personal attack from guess who, and provider problems - when it rains it pours! The chronological order of events and who did what when etc is fairly clear but no way I can rush going through everything. A timeline will bne issued when I can get to it!  ;)

The files I am working with have nothing to do with FBI/Colbert files. 
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« Reply #2105 on: June 06, 2017, 12:12:29 AM »
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That's all it's doing down here. we are in the rainy season, couple inches a couple hours ago within about an hour. steady light rain since Friday.... :-X
 

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« Reply #2106 on: June 06, 2017, 12:23:56 AM »

Has anyone here heard from a guy claiming his father was DB and used the money to buy his way out of the Mafia?  He emailed me with an interesting story and when I responded asking for more info he went dark.

Curious if anyone else heard from him.

Tom Kaye
 

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« Reply #2107 on: June 06, 2017, 12:24:46 AM »
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Has anyone here heard from a guy claiming his father was DB and used the money to buy his way out of the Mafia?  He emailed me with an interesting story and when I responded asking for more info he went dark.

Curious if anyone else heard from him.

Tom Kaye



Nope, not a peep.. O0
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« Reply #2108 on: June 06, 2017, 12:29:20 AM »
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Has anyone here heard from a guy claiming his father was DB and used the money to buy his way out of the Mafia?  He emailed me with an interesting story and when I responded asking for more info he went dark.

Curious if anyone else heard from him.

Tom Kaye



Nope, not a peep.. O0

You might want to check with the hard science people over at National Enquirer, Tom.
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« Reply #2109 on: June 06, 2017, 08:33:40 AM »
Why not post the email here Tom?
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Has anyone here heard from a guy claiming his father was DB and used the money to buy his way out of the Mafia?  He emailed me with an interesting story and when I responded asking for more info he went dark.

Curious if anyone else heard from him.

Tom Kaye

I bet it was a prank, someone using your research to create a good story for their own giggles.

I remember Bruce telling me he gets a new Cooper suspect every week... Someone contacts me with a new suspect about once a month.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2111 on: June 06, 2017, 04:35:22 PM »
Wading through the FBI files... The money bag delivered by the bank was reported to be approximately 1 foot x 1 foot x 9 inches in dimension as estimated by the person at the Seattle airport that examined the money upon arrival. That's quite a bit smaller than I have always imagined the bag being. I had always pictured a rather large and bulky bag but 12 inches tall and 12 inches wide by 9 inches deep is really not that big at all.

(This has nothing to do with what's being currently discussed on this board; just a random observation out of left field)

 

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« Reply #2112 on: June 06, 2017, 04:57:38 PM »
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Wading through the FBI files... The money bag delivered by the bank was reported to be approximately 1 foot x 1 foot x 9 inches in dimension as estimated by the person at the Seattle airport that examined the money upon arrival. That's quite a bit smaller than I have always imagined the bag being. I had always pictured a rather large and bulky bag but 12 inches tall and 12 inches wide by 9 inches deep is really not that big at all.

(This has nothing to do with what's being currently discussed on this board; just a random observation out of left field)

That is 0.75 cubic feet and the weight was about 22 pounds.  If I remember correctly, Tom Kaye measured about 100 feet of shroud lines had been cut from the chest chute that was left on the airliner.  And those shroud lines were rated at about 550 pounds of strength.

So Cooper could have easily tied the money bag to himself and/or the parachute harness and it would have stayed with him all the way down regardless of what happened to Cooper himself.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2113 on: June 06, 2017, 05:56:22 PM »
The cut shroud lines definitely could have been used to secure the money bag IF DBC was a savvy jumper or rigger. If you do something dumb like secure the lines to a trouser belt loop rather than the main lift web of the harness, failure is likely to occur under canopy opening shock loads.

Many Whuffos underestimate the G loads encountered during canopy deployment. The bold as hell skyjacker in the Philippines who sewed his own parachute canopy learned the hard way as it opened then shredded.

There is zero evidence that Cooper used any electronics for nav or comms. A pocket VHF tunable aviation band receiver would have been a smart carry. Could have monitored all the plane comms. I bought one in 1969, made by Radio Shack. It cost under $30 and worked great.

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« Reply #2114 on: June 06, 2017, 11:17:06 PM »
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Wading through the FBI files... The money bag delivered by the bank was reported to be approximately 1 foot x 1 foot x 9 inches in dimension as estimated by the person at the Seattle airport that examined the money upon arrival. That's quite a bit smaller than I have always imagined the bag being. I had always pictured a rather large and bulky bag but 12 inches tall and 12 inches wide by 9 inches deep is really not that big at all.

(This has nothing to do with what's being currently discussed on this board; just a random observation out of left field)

 the person at the Seattle airport that examined the money upon arrival.

who would that be?