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georger

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2085 on: June 04, 2017, 11:38:50 PM »
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Haven't figured the witnesses out yet, but could be Flo, and Mitchell..

One person states the hair was like Nixon's, and the chin and neck appear as if he was fat and lost weight, leaving some flabby skin. agreed with the composite except the above, and he looked older than the sketch shows...also mentioned is the "Latin appearance"

This can be found in the first new page around page 200...

couldn't be Nixon..."I'm not a crook"  :)) :)) :)) :))

what are you talking about? what document where?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2086 on: June 04, 2017, 11:39:09 PM »
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11/29/71

Hmmm, Cooper possibly used a device dealing with VOR's

Lots about Cossey in the first batch..

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Mr. Cossey expressed the opinion that the pilot of the jet would notice some oscillation when the hijacker departed the rear of the aircraft.

where can we see these new FBI files?


Colbert...dbcooper.com...he has a vault as well, thought everyone knew?

just found something very interesting..2 days after the hijacking a faint signal was heard from a search plane. the signal was on a frequency used for emergency beacons, and was heard around the Reynolds aluminum plant..it closed in 2000..hazardous material found on the property...

But the plant left behind acres of soil contaminated by hazardous waste. In 1993, the Environmental Protection Agency discovered elevated concentrations of cyanide and fluoride in several on-site drinking wells; significant levels of aluminum, barium, manganese, cyanide and fluoride in surface water samples; and concentrations of arsenic, beryllium, fluoride and high levels of tetrachloroethene in the groundwater. The area became a Superfund site in 1994, and remedial efforts continued until 2006.
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georger

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« Reply #2087 on: June 04, 2017, 11:40:22 PM »
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More about the serial numbers....

where is this stuff coming from?

can you give us a url to it?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2088 on: June 04, 2017, 11:46:14 PM »
I posted above, also, earlier I posted what files to look for...in the new Forum & News Update thread...


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« Reply #2089 on: June 04, 2017, 11:49:52 PM »
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11/29/71

Hmmm, Cooper possibly used a device dealing with VOR's

Lots about Cossey in the first batch..

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Mr. Cossey expressed the opinion that the pilot of the jet would notice some oscillation when the hijacker departed the rear of the aircraft.

where can we see these new FBI files?


Colbert...dbcooper.com...he has a vault as well, thought everyone knew?

just found something very interesting..2 days after the hijacking a faint signal was heard from a search plane. the signal was on a frequency used for emergency beacons, and was heard around the Reynolds aluminum plant..it closed in 2000..hazardous material found on the property...

But the plant left behind acres of soil contaminated by hazardous waste. In 1993, the Environmental Protection Agency discovered elevated concentrations of cyanide and fluoride in several on-site drinking wells; significant levels of aluminum, barium, manganese, cyanide and fluoride in surface water samples; and concentrations of arsenic, beryllium, fluoride and high levels of tetrachloroethene in the groundwater. The area became a Superfund site in 1994, and remedial efforts continued until 2006.

This signal was probably an innocent test of an Emergency Locator Transmitter beacon or such.  They became mandatory for general aviation aircraft around 1970 and the early models had all kinds of problems such as going off for no good reason.  The ELT's transmitted on both 121.5 and 243.0 frequencies.

HOWEVER, airliners were exempted from carrying ELT's, so this would not be coming from the hijacked aircraft or any other airliner.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2090 on: June 04, 2017, 11:55:25 PM »
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« Reply #2091 on: June 05, 2017, 12:43:28 AM »
Further down the file they explain devices such as the Radiar Dart two emergency transmitter, along with Pulsar being another...it appears small enough devices were around in 1971...
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georger

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« Reply #2092 on: June 05, 2017, 04:52:54 AM »
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I posted above, also, earlier I posted what files to look for...in the new Forum & News Update thread...


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ok guess I didnt understand.
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« Reply #2093 on: June 05, 2017, 04:57:29 AM »
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Further down the file they explain devices such a Radiar Dart two emergency transmitter, along with Pulsar being another...it appears small enough devices were around in 1971...

This is hard to follow -

So is someone saying Cooper had a 'little black box' that transmitted an emergency beep when he landed? Or is this all conjecture? What is being said with this?
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« Reply #2094 on: June 05, 2017, 07:50:50 AM »
Sure, it's possible he had this for someone to locate him, but in the same sense the wrong people could also find him, so it would be very risky for him to try this device. both times the signals were heard were close to airports. my guess is similar to R99 that it could of been a plane testing equipment but find it odd it happened twice in two different locations while nobody accepts responsibility?

First time was near Evergreen airport, and the second time they refer to Reynolds aluminum plant which is close to troutdale airport...
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« Reply #2095 on: June 05, 2017, 09:02:01 AM »
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but in the same sense the wrong people could also find him, so it would be very risky for him to try this device

Yes, the wrong people could find him... It would be risky, but I believe the risk was small, due to the relative time on each side of Cooper and FBI. If he did use a beacon and with someone on the ground, that would imply it was all very well planned, and thus, the cooper recovery would have been quite quick, relative to the time FBI, who didn't know exactly where he jumped, have time to mobilize that quickly and catch Cooper.  Plus that'd have required the Feds to bring with them, frequency tracking devices and also to be scanning the frequencies.  So I think the risk of the wrong people finding him before his getaway, was small, because I would imagine their plan left the least amount of downtime possible.

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« Reply #2096 on: June 05, 2017, 09:20:02 AM »
It's all speculation at this point (when isn't it with this case)  :)), the more likely device used would be the VOR receiver to identify where he is, but again it's speculation he had such equipment, or that he needed it. the signals came from or near airports, and were in populated area's where the signal wouldn't be needed for emergencies unless he forgot to turn it off, but the signal would of been picked up earlier?

It's possible it could of got away with it in the first 12 hours depending on who wasn't listening for such a signal. lots of ham operators were listening in during the flight and were used to help pinpoint the landing zone according to Tom Kaye.
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« Reply #2097 on: June 05, 2017, 09:46:34 AM »
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This signal was probably an innocent test of an Emergency Locator Transmitter beacon or such.

If so, then I would fully expect that in the weeks before, and after, the caper, that there were random tests like this....   for if these were the only signals that occurred in the surrounding month, and just so happened to fall on the same day as the caper, then it'd be too coincidental, wouldn't it....

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« Reply #2098 on: June 05, 2017, 09:53:22 AM »
It's doesn't explain how long these signals were, I don't believe there is reason to do multiple tests. we see television and radio do this in 30 seconds.
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« Reply #2099 on: June 05, 2017, 11:58:38 AM »
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Sure, it's possible he had this for someone to locate him, but in the same sense the wrong people could also find him, so it would be very risky for him to try this device. both times the signals were heard were close to airports. my guess is similar to R99 that it could of been a plane testing equipment but find it odd it happened twice in two different locations while nobody accepts responsibility?

First time was near Evergreen airport, and the second time they refer to Reynolds aluminum plant which is close to troutdale airport...

Shutter, Is there a time given for these two signals being heard?  There were a lot of problems initially with these ELTs going off without the owner/pilot of the specific aircraft being aware of it.  People had to track down these continuous signals and there was a very high probability that the offending ELT was in a parked aircraft.

In an effort to reduce the random signal alerts, I think the FAA specified a certain time each hour for testing ELTs.  And I think that was the first five minutes of each hour.  Signals in that time period were basically ignored but continuous signals outside that time period were checked out.  This is based on about a 50 year old memory of the early teething problems of ELTs in general aviation.
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