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Ok, so the money found in 1980 wasn't DBC cash, Cooper jumped before the 8:10 oscillation. the money was now hung up somewhere in the silver lake vicinity (on the stairs due to torn panels) and was released over the Columbia river waiting to be dredged up..?

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On a one to ten scale we value the transcript info at 10 and current day testimony from people a 1.

I'll try again, somebody tell me exactly where the plane was when DBC left it?

Use your timestamps, transcripts or whatever you need.

over the placard...

Actually, the placard separated from the airliner several miles southwest of where it was found.  This has been discussed numerous times here and on DropZone.

Cooper didn't jump for several more minutes after the placard separated which puts him several miles further down the flight track.

as has been said a million times in all discussions clear back to 2004, having the stairs down and leaving the plane produces physical evidence the crew would notice - unavoidable. The Test flight checked that out to clarify and confirm those physical facts. But, the test flight probably wasn't even necessary because as all skydivers have always reported including the Boeing Skydiving club and avionics group, you can't even open those stairs or play around with them without producing physical effects. Then the stairs slamming shut after weight is off them - produces more physical effects. Cooper was inside a cylinder moving at 200mph with a hole opened at the rear position of that cylinder. There were no physical effects reported until ______________ in the time frame. The position of the plane is separate. But all physical effects happened south of the placard drop zone.

This may not be the glamorous answer Flyjack wants, but it is the answer to the empiracle problem.

Moreover, as Kermit may tell us some day soon, people searched throughout the whole placard find area looking for 'anything' related to the Cooper hijacking. No one noticed or found anything additional to the placard, including the emergency exit door Flyjack claims must be there in the same area. I think people searched that area or kept their eyes open for anything new, for years following the well publicized placard find. It would not even surprise me to find out that the FBI went up and searched that area, or asked people to keep an eye out following the placard find. The placard find aroused a lot of public interest.       

Georger, I agree with that... 

Would DBC have drifted slightly NE after he left the plane?

TT timestamp is after communications and rounded to min, it can be out 2 min from real time.

You guys tell me the most N point the plane could be at 20:09 and that will be very close to 2 miles south of my primary zone..

If Cooper had jumped and immediately opened his parachute at the same time the placard separated from the airliner, they would have landed fairly close together.  Their descent rates would be about the same.

What if DBC left the plane 45 seconds after the placard? how far away? (South) or 1 minute later.

The airliner's ground speed was about three nautical miles per minute.  So if Cooper jumped one minute after the placard separated, and he immediately opened his parachute, he would have landed at least three nautical miles (3.45 statute miles) from the placard, other things being equal.

south of the placard find not north -correct?

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Ok, so the money found in 1980 wasn't DBC cash, Cooper jumped before the 8:10 oscillation. the money was now hung up somewhere in the silver lake vicinity (on the stairs due to torn panels) and was released over the Columbia river waiting to be dredged up..?

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On a one to ten scale we value the transcript info at 10 and current day testimony from people a 1.

I'll try again, somebody tell me exactly where the plane was when DBC left it?

Use your timestamps, transcripts or whatever you need.

over the placard...

Actually, the placard separated from the airliner several miles southwest of where it was found.  This has been discussed numerous times here and on DropZone.

Cooper didn't jump for several more minutes after the placard separated which puts him several miles further down the flight track.

as has been said a million times in all discussions clear back to 2004, having the stairs down and leaving the plane produces physical evidence the crew would notice - unavoidable. The Test flight checked that out to clarify and confirm those physical facts. But, the test flight probably wasn't even necessary because as all skydivers have always reported including the Boeing Skydiving club and avionics group, you can't even open those stairs or play around with them without producing physical effects. Then the stairs slamming shut after weight is off them - produces more physical effects. Cooper was inside a cylinder moving at 200mph with a hole opened at the rear position of that cylinder. There were no physical effects reported until ______________ in the time frame. The position of the plane is separate. But all physical effects happened south of the placard drop zone.

This may not be the glamorous answer Flyjack wants, but it is the answer to the empiracle problem.

Moreover, as Kermit may tell us some day soon, people searched throughout the whole placard find area looking for 'anything' related to the Cooper hijacking. No one noticed or found anything additional to the placard, including the emergency exit door Flyjack claims must be there in the same area. I think people searched that area or kept their eyes open for anything new, for years following the well publicized placard find. It would not even surprise me to find out that the FBI went up and searched that area, or asked people to keep an eye out following the placard find. The placard find aroused a lot of public interest.       

Georger, I agree with that... 

Would DBC have drifted slightly NE after he left the plane?

TT timestamp is after communications and rounded to min, it can be out 2 min from real time.

You guys tell me the most N point the plane could be at 20:09 and that will be very close to 2 miles south of my primary zone..

If Cooper had jumped and immediately opened his parachute at the same time the placard separated from the airliner, they would have landed fairly close together.  Their descent rates would be about the same.

What if DBC left the plane 45 seconds after the placard? how far away? (South) or 1 minute later.

The airliner's ground speed was about three nautical miles per minute.  So if Cooper jumped one minute after the placard separated, and he immediately opened his parachute, he would have landed at least three nautical miles (3.45 statute miles) from the placard, other things being equal.

south of the placard find not north -correct?

To the south of the placard. You are correct.

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Cooper's last transmission at 8:05 can you prove the placard was on the plane....

and oscillations/bump were ten minutes later. (may be on the FR tape run by its own clock) ?

Mark Bennett, I moved your post over to this area...

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We are allowed however to quote certain things directly from the 302's as seen on our website. It seems that Gray may have a complete set of 302 images and will be releasing them as time goes on.

I'm pretty sure we talked about this last time this was mentioned, but why is it up to Gray to decide when to release 302s?  If the FBI ok'd their release, they should release them, not Gray.

I was under the impression the FBI asked Gray to be their guy for releasing what was formerly classified information.

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I was under the impression the FBI asked Gray to be their guy for releasing what was formerly classified information.

That's entirely possible and makes sense...

Maybe...but he's using it as a means to attract members to his true.ink site.

Not sure if I should post here or elsewhere, in Tina Bar, Evidence about case, Flight Path ... ? so guess I will reply here because my reply is for the quote above which showed up here. God am I lost!

I spoke about time and clocks in several posts. No takers on that. My posts about time and clocks was intended get to the core of this problem which is: what kind of analysis did the USAF and NWA do with their data - to arrive at the NWA LaCenter Quadrangle Search map followed by the FBI flight path map (the yellow map)? For example, was it a Bayesian analysis? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.  or something else? R99 may be able to speak to this central issue. The type of analysis used is directly connected to the accuracy of such matters as 'time stamps' and 'positions'. At Dropzone 377, Snowmman and others debated the accuracy of the radar system used at the time. We know that a computer was used to tag and correlate all the data they had.

The point of my question is: the type of analysis used relates to the accuracy of the time stamps predicted. The overlay of physical effects reported during the flight on the time stamp grid, identifies positional data as best they could discern it at the time.

So again what type of analysis was given the data at hand? Any care to hazard a guess?