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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1710 on: May 05, 2017, 12:07:15 PM »
How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

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« Reply #1711 on: May 05, 2017, 12:21:13 PM »
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How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

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Sure, the tie was 5/6 years old at the time of the hijack so it is reasonable to assume that all the particles did not come from a single environment. There may even be contamination from the plane or post hijacking.

The bismuth and almost all the other particles are consistent with my foreign suspect's long term environmental exposure..

I did quick search and bismuth is occasionally used in dentistry? need more detail on that..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1712 on: May 05, 2017, 01:18:59 PM »
My  buddy who I've k own. For over 30 yrs is a electronic wiz. He told me to look in the medical field, especially since some elements are radio active. He said it adds up to the medical field.....
 

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« Reply #1713 on: May 05, 2017, 01:26:31 PM »
I've worked in med device field for decades. Titanium? LOTS, especially in implantable devices. Isotopes? Sure, in tracers and cancer treatment. But never bismuth. Bismuth is unusual and should, in combo with the other materials found on the tie, offer some unique clues as to its origin.

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« Reply #1714 on: May 05, 2017, 01:38:16 PM »
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I've worked in med device field for decades. Titanium? LOTS, especially in implantable devices. Isotopes? Sure, in tracers and cancer treatment. But never bismuth. Bismuth is unusual and should, in combo with the other materials found on the tie, offer some unique clues as to its origin.

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I checked the "bismuth chloride (glitter)" that form isn't used in machining.. nor dentistry

That form along with about 90% of those particles is used in my suspects environment. As is the "Lycopodium clavatum" Club Moss AND the silicon, titanium and alumina powder which was found earlier..

"The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina."
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« Reply #1715 on: May 05, 2017, 01:57:34 PM »
Tell us more about your person of interest. Any provable parachuting connections?

When I say provable I am trying to exclude stuff like Jo's wildly speculative parachuting connections for Duane. With zero evidence Jo claims Duane was a packer, kicker, jumper, Fulton Skyhook crew, etc. 

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Tell us more about your person of interest. Any provable parachuting connections?

When I say provable I am trying to exclude stuff like Jo's wildly speculative parachuting connections for Duane. With zero evidence Jo claims Duane was a packer, kicker, jumper, Fulton Skyhook crew, etc. 

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Yes, he was in WW2 and I have obtained several pics of him wearing a military style back chute in the 1960's. Identifying that chute is completely out my ability..

I don't think he was a recreational skydiver, but he had some military parachute experience/exposure.
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« Reply #1717 on: May 05, 2017, 02:20:31 PM »
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Tell us more about your person of interest. Any provable parachuting connections?

When I say provable I am trying to exclude stuff like Jo's wildly speculative parachuting connections for Duane. With zero evidence Jo claims Duane was a packer, kicker, jumper, Fulton Skyhook crew, etc. 

377

Yes, he was in WW2 and I have obtained several pics of him wearing a military style back chute in the 1960's. Identifying that chute is completely out my ability..

I don't think he was a recreational skydiver, but had parachute experience.

When will your book come out - any tv production planned? - any revelations planned for the solar eclipse?

"Through the Lens of Logic".

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Tell us more about your person of interest. Any provable parachuting connections?

When I say provable I am trying to exclude stuff like Jo's wildly speculative parachuting connections for Duane. With zero evidence Jo claims Duane was a packer, kicker, jumper, Fulton Skyhook crew, etc. 

377

Yes, he was in WW2 and I have obtained several pics of him wearing a military style back chute in the 1960's. Identifying that chute is completely out my ability..

I don't think he was a recreational skydiver, but had parachute experience.

When will your book come out - any tv production planned? - any revelations planned for the solar eclipse?

"Through the Lens of Logic".

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I am a thinker not a writer...
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Tell us more about your person of interest. Any provable parachuting connections?

When I say provable I am trying to exclude stuff like Jo's wildly speculative parachuting connections for Duane. With zero evidence Jo claims Duane was a packer, kicker, jumper, Fulton Skyhook crew, etc. 

377

Yes, he was in WW2 and I have obtained several pics of him wearing a military style back chute in the 1960's. Identifying that chute is completely out my ability..

I don't think he was a recreational skydiver, but had parachute experience.

When will your book come out - any tv production planned? - any revelations planned for the solar eclipse?

"Through the Lens of Logic".

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I am thinker not a writer...

Fast reply !!  You must be monitoring here 24/7 ??  Reminds me of another guy who refuses to answer direct questions but knows more than any other human being on Earth. Are you Safecracking PLF or just copying his work?  ;) 
 

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« Reply #1720 on: May 05, 2017, 03:05:09 PM »
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How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

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When I think of those curled machine particles on the tie, I think of the lav sink each time.  What are the odds they were picked up while he was in the lav? If we washed his hands and in rush quickly dried them on the tie, is that plausible?  Just asking.  One has to, when the lav was titanium. Were the lav component piping aluminum welded to the titanium sink?
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« Reply #1721 on: May 05, 2017, 03:32:03 PM »
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How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

377

When I think of those curled machine particles on the tie, I think of the lav sink each time.  What are the odds they were picked up while he was in the lav? If we washed his hands and in rush quickly dried them on the tie, is that plausible?  Just asking.  One has to, when the lav was titanium. Were the lav component piping aluminum welded to the titanium sink?

yup, the 727 is another possible source for at least some of those particles, the 727 potable water tank under the floor near the lav/hijacker seat is CPTi as are some tubes/vents and there is SS.

The CPTi had a piece of SS mechanical mashed into it, that could be from a joint between CPTi part and SS.

The 727 would be a particle rich environment.
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« Reply #1722 on: May 05, 2017, 04:49:45 PM »
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How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

377

When I think of those curled machine particles on the tie, I think of the lav sink each time.  What are the odds they were picked up while he was in the lav? If we washed his hands and in rush quickly dried them on the tie, is that plausible?  Just asking.  One has to, when the lav was titanium. Were the lav component piping aluminum welded to the titanium sink?

yup, the 727 is another possible source for at least some of those particles, the 727 potable water tank under the floor near the lav/hijacker seat is CPTi as are some tubes/vents and there is SS.

The CPTi had a piece of SS mechanical mashed into it, that could be from a joint between CPTi part and SS.

The 727 would be a particle rich environment.
And in the rear of plane, didn't he likely come in contact with these machine spirals, maybe when trying to get stairs down and or pulling a lever etc.  Maybe brushing against wall in area passengers don't go, etc.  I guess the real question is, those spiral or mashed combined particles that Kaye speaks of...would those exact types present in the structural area of the plane...
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« Reply #1723 on: May 05, 2017, 04:59:50 PM »
Flyjack wrote: "Yes, he was in WW2 and I have obtained several pics of him wearing a military style back chute in the 1960's. Identifying that chute is completely out my ability.."

I can help you ID the chute gear. Just post a pic. You can cut off the face/head if you wish to protect ID.

In the 60s there were a lot of military surplus rigs and canopies used in sport jumping. My sport rig was military and I jumped it well into the 1970s.

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How about the Bismuth? Is that used in dentistry? I think the totality of the metal particles and the curled rotary cut forms observed on some, point more towards a machine shop than a dentist's office. Bismuth is used as a cutting lube for hardened metals.

I still wonder if the metals could have been on Norman's rigs which were stored in his machine shop. The tie might have picked them up when DBC examined the rigs on board. Wish Tom could test the museum rig and see if particles on it correlate with the tie particles.

377

When I think of those curled machine particles on the tie, I think of the lav sink each time.  What are the odds they were picked up while he was in the lav? If we washed his hands and in rush quickly dried them on the tie, is that plausible?  Just asking.  One has to, when the lav was titanium. Were the lav component piping aluminum welded to the titanium sink?

yup, the 727 is another possible source for at least some of those particles, the 727 potable water tank under the floor near the lav/hijacker seat is CPTi as are some tubes/vents and there is SS.

The CPTi had a piece of SS mechanical mashed into it, that could be from a joint between CPTi part and SS.

The 727 would be a particle rich environment.
And in the rear of plane, didn't he likely come in contact with these machine spirals, maybe when trying to get stairs down and or pulling a lever etc.  Maybe brushing against wall in area passengers don't go, etc.  I guess the real question is, those spiral or mashed combined particles that Kaye speaks of...would those exact types present in the structural area of the plane...

I think Tom felt these particles come from an active particle rich environment vs a passive arbitrary contact environment. The difference matters. It's partly the particles themselves but its also the combination of the particles as a cluster. The idea is some environment produced that cluster in multiple exposures in the same place. That rules out the airplane and a single trip to the lavatory which was a regularly cleaned environment. The idea of those particles spread across the tie coming from the water in the lav is absurd! Wiped his hands on the tie? No urine or urinary products found!  ;)
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