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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #165 on: September 03, 2014, 07:02:46 PM »
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Has anyone ever heard any mention of investigation by authorities or public sleuths, etc. into JC Penny receipts regarding the clip on tie?

From memory it was not only a common tie, but one that had been sold at most - perhaps all - J.C. Penny stores?

I looked for the tie, but couldn't find one. I bought one at Walmart, and the tie clip on Ebay. I also have a pilot's uniform. I put that on with my tie when Vicki and Mark came to see me  ;D :D 8)


Take a selfy picture of you wearing the tie and clip, and slip it behind another photo in your photo album  ;D
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #166 on: September 03, 2014, 07:05:11 PM »
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Has anyone ever heard any mention of investigation by authorities or public sleuths, etc. into JC Penny receipts regarding the clip on tie?

From Georger's post and c/o citizensleuths website :

FBI Transcript, JC Penney's manager: "He stated that it has been at least a year, and probably a year and a half, since that store handled the narrow type. He advised that these ties are not a dress-type tie but usually worn by working people."
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #167 on: September 03, 2014, 10:44:31 PM »
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Has anyone ever heard any mention of investigation by authorities or public sleuths, etc. into JC Penny receipts regarding the clip on tie?

From Georger's post and c/o citizensleuths website :

FBI Transcript, JC Penney's manager: "He stated that it has been at least a year, and probably a year and a half, since that store handled the narrow type. He advised that these ties are not a dress-type tie but usually worn by working people."

I took a few pictures during the exhibit at the Washington State History Museum's "Cooper" exhibit. I did get a few of the tie. They did not get the actual tie to display. However, this is the brand and type of clip on tie that Cooper was wearing.  I would have tried to get a few more, but flash photography was not allowed and they caught me.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #168 on: September 03, 2014, 10:56:22 PM »
I didn't put much effort into looking for that tie, but I wonder where they got it from....Ebay had some, but none were black.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #169 on: September 05, 2014, 02:05:44 AM »
All good insights into the tie. I'm curious if any investigation was done into exploring JC Pennys receipts; i.e. tracking down receipts that show a sale of that type of tie. Customers who paid with a credit card would have their name or account number on the receipt. So, perhaps DB Coopers real name was on a JC penny receipt somewhere in whatever archives JC Penny held for receipts at one time. Not sure if JC penny took visa or MasterCard by 1970 (according to that JC penny manager the tie must have been purchased the year before the hijacking) but JC penny was using their own JC Penny credit cards for about a decade prior. Who knows if Cooper used a credit card to buy the tie but it seems plausible that the FBI may have asked to do a search through their receipts at least at JC Penny's in the area - the idea being for the purposes of cross referencing potential suspects with a list of names of people that purchased the tie. So, anybody ever hear that they asked JC Penny for access to their receipts?

Further, probably a big dead end waiting to crop up but what if JC Penny still had receipts going back that far in storage archives. I don't know enough about retail business to know if it is at all feasible to think they might still have receipts from that long ago but I bet someone does have a better idea of that feasibility.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #170 on: September 05, 2014, 05:41:06 AM »
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All good insights into the tie. I'm curious if any investigation was done into exploring JC Pennys receipts; i.e. tracking down receipts that show a sale of that type of tie. Customers who paid with a credit card would have their name or account number on the receipt. So, perhaps DB Coopers real name was on a JC penny receipt somewhere in whatever archives JC Penny held for receipts at one time. Not sure if JC penny took visa or MasterCard by 1970 (according to that JC penny manager the tie must have been purchased the year before the hijacking) but JC penny was using their own JC Penny credit cards for about a decade prior. Who knows if Cooper used a credit card to buy the tie but it seems plausible that the FBI may have asked to do a search through their receipts at least at JC Penny's in the area - the idea being for the purposes of cross referencing potential suspects with a list of names of people that purchased the tie. So, anybody ever hear that they asked JC Penny for access to their receipts?

Further, probably a big dead end waiting to crop up but what if JC Penny still had receipts going back that far in storage archives. I don't know enough about retail business to know if it is at all feasible to think they might still have receipts from that long ago but I bet someone does have a better idea of that feasibility.

Point of sale hardware circa 1971 was absolutely primitive by today's standards. If unfamiliar, type "1970 cash register" into Google Images. Even at the time it would have been an absolute nightmare trying to search out those tie sales. If it were possible at all. The chances of any of those records still existing 43 years later would be zero.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #171 on: September 05, 2014, 06:49:23 AM »
Absolutely impossible. which JC Penny's would you check? we don't know where Cooper originated from to try and pin point a tie sold from a popular national department store. someone could of bought him the tie as a gift, or he purchased it through a second hand store etc. I tried to find out where the tie clip came from. no hallmark was on the clip, dozens of companies purchased it through a manufacture and boxed it under there name. the closest I got was it was probably manufactured in New Jersey, possibly by Anson. I just looked on Ebay the other nite and found several more companies with the tie clip. the tie also sported a tie pin, noted by the holes in the tie. this means it was probably not a recent purchase. what was on the tie helped in trying to figure out who Cooper was, but that's only if the tie was only worn by him.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #172 on: September 05, 2014, 01:47:38 PM »
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Looking good!

Can we have a special category for bashing other members?  Or does Blevins need his own?   ;D ;D

Thanks. Mr. Blevins will be bashing himself after one post on here. it's sad that it had to come to this point, but we had no option. I'm sure he will be saying something soon via DZ. hopefully we can have actual discussions here without the insults. we have already had a lot of people sign in today. I hope we can make this work, and also exist elsewhere in the Cooper community. the forum is still in review with all the options to go through yet. lots of possibilities here.


I would also like to thank everyone for allowing this to happen. it's my pleasure, along with Bruce that this has made it to this point. speak out about any issues, any adjustments needed. like Frasier Crane always said, "I'm Listening"  8)

It is what it is. No avoiding it. And just who is responsible for that? Easy answer 4+ years in the making.

Vicki brings up confirmation bias - not the first time that has been suggested.   

Mr. Blevins stance on that>  Everyone else has confirmation bias. But not me! 'I am the only clear thinker'.

'and if I can't get that to float hen I will trying everything in the book to get people pissed and banned and then talk about how people were banned, because I operate on order direct from the Almighty, who by coincidence works at Adventure Books too!'

Only Joan Rivers could deal with RMB!  :) :)  There is always some joker who knows he is better-smarter than everyone else. Who constantly talks about manner but has none.




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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #173 on: September 05, 2014, 02:45:51 PM »
Society will never allow another Joan Rivers. I commend her for standing up and telling it like it is. she didn't care, and she didn't do it to offend anyone either, but today they don't accept jokes like hers. R.I.P. Joan.....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #174 on: September 05, 2014, 04:20:22 PM »
Good news, folks.  I got a PM at the DZ from a young man named John who says that his history teacher is talking about the DB Cooper skyjacking and has recommended that the students read the DZ and THIS site.

He was mostly asking about eye witnesses and who is still alive, conversant, etc.

As it turns out, the class is in NY, and I have invited myself to talk with the class during my foray Back East to attend my sister's wedding, September 23- October 14.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #175 on: September 05, 2014, 05:08:45 PM »
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Good news, folks.  I got a PM at the DZ from a young man named John who says that his history teacher is talking about the DB Cooper skyjacking and has recommended that the students read the DZ and THIS site.

He was mostly asking about eye witnesses and who is still alive, conversant, etc.

As it turns out, the class is in NY, and I have invited myself to talk with the class during my foray Back East to attend my sister's wedding, September 23- October 14.

Sounds good, to bad they will need another semester to weed through the other site to find any Cooper discussions  ;D :D ;D
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #176 on: September 05, 2014, 07:28:09 PM »
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Good news, folks.  I got a PM at the DZ from a young man named John who says that his history teacher is talking about the DB Cooper skyjacking and has recommended that the students read the DZ and THIS site.

He was mostly asking about eye witnesses and who is still alive, conversant, etc.

As it turns out, the class is in NY, and I have invited myself to talk with the class during my foray Back East to attend my sister's wedding, September 23- October 14.

Off to infect them with the Cooper curse hey Bruce  ;)
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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #177 on: September 05, 2014, 11:30:26 PM »
Hey, they'll be true believers when I'm done with 'em.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #178 on: September 06, 2014, 02:19:47 AM »
Seriously, does anyone have any thoughts about Tina's claim in the Eugene Weekly that she flew NWO routes to Japan for five years after the skyjacking?

Legit?

A planted story?

A veiled rebuke of KC, Bob and Skippy?

How about the claim that she few until 1981 when she was supposedly in the convent, back in late 1979 or early 1980, and had been receiving residential medical care in Gresham before that????

Just another sunny day in the Vortex?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #179 on: September 07, 2014, 07:42:37 PM »
I made another video/audio from the Washington Historical Society. I'm not sure what to make of this guy.

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