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Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1605 on:** April 23, 2017, 05:34:27 AM »

Huh? Is this a trick question or something? Why are you asking me? I either have an answer that will satisfy you or I don't, but regardless, you already have the answer, so again I ask, why are you asking?

Robert99 · « **Reply #1606 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:19:17 PM »

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Huh? Is this a trick question or something? Why are you asking me? I either have an answer that will satisfy you or I don't, but regardless, you already have the answer, so again I ask, why are you asking?

Bruce,

You and I have met one time and during that meeting we probably talked for one minute, maybe two minutes at the absolute most. You told me you were a "Cooper Investigator" and you were wearing a T-shirt that said the same thing. For your information, I would not describe myself using those words.

Nevertheless, a "Cooper Investigator" would usually be expected to determine the identities of all the people in a video that provides important information on the Cooper hijacking matter. So you surely checked out the people in that video and know who they are and what they were doing in the video.

All Georger is asking for is the name of one individual. You expect people on this thread to provide you with information so you should be willing to provide Georger with the name. If you feel it necessary, you can even copyright your reply, following the example of the famous Jo Weber on DropZone.

georger · « **Reply #1607 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:22:22 PM »

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Huh? Is this a trick question or something? Why are you asking me? I either have an answer that will satisfy you or I don't, but regardless, you already have the answer, so again I ask, why are you asking?

Bruce,

You and I have met one time and during that meeting we probably talked for one minute, maybe two minutes at the absolute most. You told me you were a "Cooper Investigator" and you were wearing a T-shirt that said the same thing. For your information, I would not describe myself using those words.

Nevertheless, a "Cooper Investigator" would usually be expected to determine the identities of all the people in a video that provides important information on the Cooper hijacking matter. So you surely checked out the people in that video and know who they are and what they were doing in the video.

All Georger is asking for is the name of one individual. You expect people on this thread to provide you with information so you should be willing to provide Georger with the name. If you feel it necessary, you can even copyright your reply, following the example of the famous Jo Weber on DropZone.

"Cooper Investigator". Investigators 'investigate', not editorialise. Unless he has become so famous and essential that his mere presence illuminates all subjects like a wizard changing toads into camels, needing no work or proof? Like the Formans casting a spell ... and all should obey because immutable principles of social equity trump facts! .

It's the "smarm factor". Since when did smarm win out over physics? Bruce may have become the very thing he fights against? Plus being "famous". It's an addiction.

We have so many experts on the cigarette butts here and in forums generally. These people know things the FBI doesn't even know about the butts! I'm betting that is a very safe conclusion given the Smarm Equation! Well I could go on but I wont. The point has been made ..... and will be rejected by the same people. I havent said a damned thing that's new and neither will Bruce.

Bruce is like a cow in the rode you have to get around in order to get back to where you came from, since you can;t go ahead ...

georger · « **Reply #1608 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:56:13 PM »

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Huh? Is this a trick question or something? Why are you asking me? I either have an answer that will satisfy you or I don't, but regardless, you already have the answer, so again I ask, why are you asking?

Well yes it is a trick but not really. Its one more attempt in years of such attempts to get "you" to reveal your methods. One case in point (and there are many) is the brief case Dorwin let slip, and you have pressed this every chance you get, unwilling to back up and seek any clarification. For you, you throw Dorwin under the bus (something Dorwin is fully aware of) insisting Dorwin let some very valuable fact slip ... and you literally won;t be satisfied until two things are proven: (a) Dorwin is an old man and an idiot and a dumb FBI agent who finally let something valuable slip ... proof of FBI incompetence/secrecy, (b) FBI agents actually did find a piece of an old brief case nearby to the Ingram money at Tina Bar, and (c) the FBI is lying/covering up and nothing can wash that away. You have the FBI trapped in their own corruption you say is endemic to the whole breed of secret Government agencies! Of course the corollary to this is: LGBT people are all truthful and the Forman are heroes speaking the truth, as a model in classicist racist society! The extrapolations on this theme are endless and in their final form require you to be given the Nobel Prize for Truth because you are a Truthful Cooper Investigator who never makes mistakes and has no covert missions in life! Doesn;t that just about sum it all up?

So I keep asking 'who are the other people in the KIRO video'? Could their opinions/testimony be sought? The answer to that is "no". Dorwin was caught in an FBI Lie and that is all that matters. Whether a piece of a brief was actually found at Tina Bar no longer matters. What matters is an "FBI lie". And Dorwin is the focus of the "investigation".

I called Dorwin up and asked him to explain and you wouldnt accept that because: you and Galen Cook have superior knowledge and comprehension in all things Cooper. And you know that I am an untrustworthy incompetent liar too!

So, if it even matters at this late stage of development: was a piece of a brief case found at Tina Bar or not?

Tell us oh sage. No need to talk to anyone else who was there! They wouldnt be believable in any event. Because THAT IS HOW IT WORKS! You got your headline - now run with it Mr. Cooper Investigator who also stalked Tina Mucklow mercilessly trying to get photos of her with her pants down on some beach ... just so your name would be burned into Mucklow's brain forever! Trophy hunting ?

Trophies collected: (a) private photos of Tina Mucklow...................... (b) part if a brief case was found at Tina Bar says FBI Agent, Dorwin Schreuder .......... (c) more than enough to go on talk shows with.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1609 on:** April 24, 2017, 02:55:13 AM »

Excuse me fellows, but I've lost track of what you're asking me.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1610 on:** April 24, 2017, 02:59:58 AM »

Feds on the Beach

I gather that Robert 99 and Georger are launching a quest to identify all the FBI agents working the money recovery at T-Bar in February 1980. Here is my contribution:

1. Dorwin Schroeder, PIO
2. Ralph Himmelsbach, lead agent for the recovery
3. Mike McPheters, field agent

I have spoken to each agent on multiple occasions, and my reports on what they've told me are published in multiple places, such as this Forum, the DZ, my book, and the Mountain News-WA.

I'm sure there are more FBI agents to identify that worked the dig, but I don't know their names or identities. Nor would I know exactly how to determine them, other than to send Dorwin a screen shot and ask for his assistance. Since Georger has also stated that he has spoken with Dorwin at length on this subject, I'm not sure why he or R99 is asking me this - other than to challenge me for unknown reasons. Besides not knowing their agenda, I have also sought to understand the larger context of their questions. Nevertheless, I feel complete with the information that Dorwin has shared with me so far.

I suspect that this line of inquiry from R99 and Georger is just a game at this point to discredit me or convince the world that I'm a lazy, incompetent journalist, or a fraud.

What I can say is that I've interviewed the above three agents, plus Richard and Al Fazio, Brian Ingram and Citizen Sleuth team, including Tom Kaye, Abracadabra, Alan Stone, Jerry Thomas, Geoffrey Gray, and Larry Carr. In addition I have discussed the T-Bar find at length with Galen Cook, and I've also spoken, briefly, with Richard Tosaw shortly before his death in 2009. Further, I have spoken with numerous fishermen and boaters along the strand at T-Bar. As indicated above, I have spoken with the noted T-Bar expert, Robert99, for at least two minutes, and our conversation was held on the beach last August during the TC shoot, which I was able to appear in after walking eight miles along Lower River Road from downtown Vancouver after spending the night sleeping under a tree by Frenchman's Bar. So I don't feel I have been re-miss in any regard on this subject.

Have I missed anyone that can give me a keener perspective on the money find? If so, please let me know.

MeyerLouie · « **Reply #1611 on:** April 24, 2017, 04:08:59 AM »

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Feds on the Beach

I gather that Robert 99 and Georger are launching a quest to identify all the FBI agents working the money recovery at T-Bar in February 1980. Here is my contribution:

1. Dorwin Schroeder, PIO
2. Ralph Himmelsbach, lead agent for the recovery
3. Mike McPheters, field agent

I have spoken to each agent on multiple occasions, and my reports on what they've told me are published in multiple places, such as this Forum, the DZ, my book, and the Mountain News-WA.

I'm sure there are more FBI agents to identify that worked the dig, but I don't know their names or identities. Nor would I know exactly how to determine them, other than to send Dorwin a screen shot and ask for his assistance. Since Georger has also stated that he has spoken with Dorwin at length on this subject, I'm not sure why he or R99 is asking me this - other than to challenge me for unknown reasons. Besides not knowing their agenda, I have also sought to understand the larger context of their questions. Nevertheless, I feel complete with the information that Dorwin has shared with me so far.

I suspect that this line of inquiry from R99 and Georger is just a game at this point to discredit me or convince the world that I'm a lazy, incompetent journalist, or a fraud.

What I can say is that I've interviewed the above three agents, plus Richard and Al Fazio, Brian Ingram and Citizen Sleuth team, including Tom Kaye, Abracadabra, Alan Stone, Jerry Thomas, Geoffrey Gray, and Larry Carr. In addition I have discussed the T-Bar find at length with Galen Cook, and I've also spoken, briefly, with Richard Tosaw shortly before his death in 2009. Further, I have spoken with numerous fishermen and boaters along the strand at T-Bar. As indicated above, I have spoken with the noted T-Bar expert, Robert99, for at least two minutes, and our conversation was held on the beach last August during the TC shoot, which I was able to appear in after walking eight miles along Lower River Road from downtown Vancouver after spending the night sleeping under a tree by Frenchman's Bar. So I don't feel I have been re-miss in any regard on this subject.

Have I missed anyone that can give me a keener perspective on the money find? If so, please let me know.

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Yeah, me. You could have been sitting in a jacuzzi in a nice hotel with a couple of "Cooper Investigators" the night before the TC shoot. That conversation lasted more than 2 minutes, it covered a lot of ground over an entire evening. It was time well spent, I think you would have enjoyed it, and we all would have gotten to know each other a little better.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1612 on:** April 24, 2017, 04:11:39 AM »

Meyer, would you like to describe why I wasn't at the motel room you mention, even after I had procured a $50 voucher from the TC people to pay for the room?

Just askin'.

For those not privy to the details alluded to here, it is not my story to tell publicly.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1613 on:** April 24, 2017, 04:12:35 AM »

In the meantime, Meyer, perhaps you could give us a synopsis of the conversation for all of us who weren't in the Jacuzzi....

georger · « **Reply #1614 on:** April 24, 2017, 12:54:51 PM »

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Excuse me fellows, but I've lost track of what you're asking me.

Im sure people reading wonder WTF is going on = whats the point of this. So, let me bring this back to Earth!

Question: was a brief case, or part of a brief case, found at Tena Bar or not?

Dorwin Schreuder is the source of this when Dorwin spoke with Bruce on one occasion. Has anyone else ever been told this story by anyone else?

I wont even relate Dorwin's apology for this 'slip' (gaff) Dorwin explained as a 'senior moment trying to recall what he had done at Tina Bar years before... ' . All I know is nobody including other agents who worked the excavation at Tina Bar I have talked to, and nobody else not even Galen Cook!, not even Jo Weber!, ever claimed a part of a brief case had been found at Tina Bar. The KIRO video does not mention a brief case being found.

Hopefully this steers the conversation back to evidence and away from 'personalities' and diaper-talk?

C U on the other side.

377 · « **Reply #1615 on:** April 24, 2017, 01:38:03 PM »

Shutter wrote: "I'm not so sure they have the butts. they spend a lot on man hours vetting a suspect. it would probably be cheaper just to run the test and get a positive result that would over rule all the "coincidences" the suspects have with there stories."

That's what they did with Sheridan Peterson. They took and DNA swab and shortly thereafter lost all further interest in him as a Norjack suspect, despite all his other qualifications.

I have no proof that the butts are still in FBI custody, but to toss them or lose them would be so different from all FBI evidence collection and preservation work I have seen in my experience as a lawyer. They have written protocols and checklists. They log everything. I had to jump through LOTS of hoops and paperwork to get evidence evaluated by independent experts,

377

377 · « **Reply #1616 on:** April 24, 2017, 01:49:00 PM »

Bruce wrote: "Okay, 377, please lay out your Big Picture of what is going on with the FBI in Norjak. I accept your notion that the Bureau is too smart and too professional to lose evidence in their only unsolved skyjacking case. So they are setting up smoke screens? Why? What say you?"

There is no big picture FBI cover-up DBC conspiracy in my opinion. Lots of small mistakes can look like a big conspiracy... if thats your bias.

Time passes, the case goes from hot and sexy to old and moldy. FBI SAs forget or never learn what others before them have done. It looks like a cover-up to some, but Occam sees it as just laziness and lack of care.

These days FBI careers are made on ferreting out ISIS and stuff like that. NORJACK is not what you focus on to move up in today's FBI.

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MeyerLouie · « **Reply #1617 on:** April 24, 2017, 02:25:48 PM »

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In the meantime, Meyer, perhaps you could give us a synopsis of the conversation for all of us who weren't in the Jacuzzi....

I see you continue to act like a petulant child, Bruce.

MeyerLouie · « **Reply #1618 on:** April 24, 2017, 02:27:12 PM »

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In the meantime, Meyer, perhaps you could give us a synopsis of the conversation for all of us who weren't in the Jacuzzi....

I see you continue to act like a petulant child, Bruce. You weren't truthful about some things, but what's new?

MeyerLouie · « **Reply #1619 on:** April 24, 2017, 02:58:08 PM »

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In the meantime, Meyer, perhaps you could give us a synopsis of the conversation for all of us who weren't in the Jacuzzi....

Bruce, you weren't truthful with me about Ariel and what was going on with Bryan then (I can prove that). You threw two temper tantrums and stormed off into the wild blue yonder. You have nobody else to blame but yourself, you caused your own misery. You could have been in the jacuzzi talking about all things Cooper the night. You chose not to, no one else is to blame, but you.

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