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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.

In this case the envelope that held Mitchell's ticket did not have a "name box". The boxes I referred to were the ones on the ticket, ex: Flight/class, date, time, status.

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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.

What is the "proof" that you need before you believe that the agent wrote the entire ticket?

Also note that Cooper's ticket number indicates that Mitchell was about the fourth person after Cooper that purchased a ticket at that counter.  The differences in hand writing indicates that a different ticket agent wrote Mitchell's ticket.

So the NWA ticket counter at Portland apparently wasn't overworked that afternoon.

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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.

What is the "proof" that you need before you believe that the agent wrote the entire ticket?

Also note that Cooper's ticket number indicates that Mitchell was about the fourth person after Cooper that purchased a ticket at that counter.  The differences in hand writing indicates that a different ticket agent wrote Mitchell's ticket.

So the NWA ticket counter at Portland apparently wasn't overworked that afternoon.

Can anybody confirm that writing in the "name box" on the cover page of the ticket does NOT transfer to the red carbon layer or confirm that the "name box" on the cover page of the hijacker's ticket was NOT filled out.

That cover page is missing on the Mitchell and Cooper ticket..

I do believe that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket but there is still a very small possibility otherwise. I am at 95%... ticket agent


Top hand writing experts confirmed that the name on the hijacker ticket matches the Vancouver BC letter.

Now, logic presents... either the hijacker wrote both OR hand writing analysis is complete bunk.

The reason I need to get to 100% from 95% is because my suspects hand writing is a perfect match for the "Dan Cooper" name on the ticket..  I have not included it in my theory/evidence but would like to eliminate it.

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Again, a ticket agent wrote both of those tickets in their entirety.

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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.

What is the "proof" that you need before you believe that the agent wrote the entire ticket?

Also note that Cooper's ticket number indicates that Mitchell was about the fourth person after Cooper that purchased a ticket at that counter.  The differences in hand writing indicates that a different ticket agent wrote Mitchell's ticket.

So the NWA ticket counter at Portland apparently wasn't overworked that afternoon.

Can anybody confirm that writing in the "name box" on the cover page of the ticket does NOT transfer to the red carbon layer or confirm that the "name box" on the cover page of the hijacker's ticket was NOT filled out.

That cover page is missing on the Mitchell and Cooper ticket..

I do believe that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket but there is still a very small possibility otherwise. I am at 95%... ticket agent


Top hand writing experts confirmed that the name on the hijacker ticket matches the Vancouver BC letter.

Now, logic presents... either the hijacker wrote both OR hand writing analysis is complete bunk.

The reason I need to get to 100% from 95% is because my suspects hand writing is a perfect match for the "Dan Cooper" name on the ticket..  I have not included it in my theory/evidence but would like to eliminate it.

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Again, a ticket agent wrote both of those tickets in their entirety.

You can't say that with FULL 100% certainty, you just don't know and making a claim like that is reckless..

WE can believe the ticket agent wrote the name but not represent as 100% fact from the info so far. I am looking for 100% fact on the ticket.

FLYJACK, you are basically claiming that there is NEVER such a thing as 100% certainty.  So just how can you claim that you are FLYJACK as you seem to think?   Where is the proof?

Further, for your information, "fake news" in the USA is going out of style fast!

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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.

What is the "proof" that you need before you believe that the agent wrote the entire ticket?

Also note that Cooper's ticket number indicates that Mitchell was about the fourth person after Cooper that purchased a ticket at that counter.  The differences in hand writing indicates that a different ticket agent wrote Mitchell's ticket.

So the NWA ticket counter at Portland apparently wasn't overworked that afternoon.

Can anybody confirm that writing in the "name box" on the cover page of the ticket does NOT transfer to the red carbon layer or confirm that the "name box" on the cover page of the hijacker's ticket was NOT filled out.

That cover page is missing on the Mitchell and Cooper ticket..

I do believe that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket but there is still a very small possibility otherwise. I am at 95%... ticket agent


Top hand writing experts confirmed that the name on the hijacker ticket matches the Vancouver BC letter.

Now, logic presents... either the hijacker wrote both OR hand writing analysis is complete bunk.

The reason I need to get to 100% from 95% is because my suspects hand writing is a perfect match for the "Dan Cooper" name on the ticket..  I have not included it in my theory/evidence but would like to eliminate it.

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Again, a ticket agent wrote both of those tickets in their entirety.

You can't say that with FULL 100% certainty, you just don't know and making a claim like that is reckless..

WE can believe the ticket agent wrote the name but not represent as 100% fact from the info so far. I am looking for 100% fact on the ticket.

FLYJACK, you are basically claiming that there is NEVER such a thing as 100% certainty.  So just how can you claim that you are FLYJACK as you seem to think?   Where is the proof?

Further, for your information, "fake news" in the USA is going out of style fast!

You are being ridiculous and your strawman is childish.

Almost all elements in the Cooper case are "uncertain" or conjecture, probably why there has been no solve, the ticket should not be one of those. We should be able to assert 100% who wrote the name, not 99% or 95%...  if there is a 1% possibility that the hijacker wrote the name, I need to eliminate it because my suspect's hand writing is a perfect match.. that may be a coincidence.

If you could see the hand writing comparison you might understand why I am looking for 100%.

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Almost all elements in the Cooper case are "uncertain" or conjecture, probably why there has been no solve

It appears the FBI didnt even have a list of "true elements in the Cooper case" - no core of true evidence to work with. People have picked away at every socalled fact brought up over the years, Cooper was never found or ID's, the flight path is circumstantial without any supporting independent evidence that would nail it down, .. we dont even have any clear explanation for the money at Tina Bar. If anything is true it is: The FBI never wanted the public's help in solving this crime so at length they turned to the public for help (half-heatedly) only to turn around and shut that down in favor of handing classified materials over to people like Gray, Colbert and his production company, and God-only-knows who else! The whole case has become damaged goods and a joke with no way out that anyone can accept much less work with.

It's not a criticism - its just the only fact in the DB Cooper case that stands up!     

To date, we don't even have an FBI document which clearly tells us - WHO WROTE THE DAMNED TICKET! 

One thing I find interesting about the ticket is the 'P' in the time field.  Most people, myself included (as you can see by my name I write a lot of 'P's) start the P at the top of the vertical stroke, go down and then back to the top, either by lifting off the paper or not, then forming the loop.  The one in the time field appears to start at the bottom of the loop instead.  The one in Cooper may follow this style, hard to tell.  The experts have probably covered this.

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Cooper was Babylonian.

One thing I find interesting about the ticket is the 'P' in the time field.  Most people, myself included (as you can see by my name I write a lot of 'P's) start the P at the top of the vertical stroke, go down and then back to the top, either by lifting off the paper or not, then forming the loop.  The one in the time field appears to start at the bottom of the loop instead.  The one in Cooper may follow this style, hard to tell.  The experts have probably covered this.

i think the agent filled out the ticket.  Look at the top right quadrant, you can see their initials under the word Portland. It appears the agents initialed the ticket in this area.

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I think there is some confusion, I'll try to pull my point together here.

A new unused complete ticket had a cover page with a box where the name goes
(shown in image with 2 tickets), it lines up with the name box on the red carbon layer. The ticket agent usually opens the cover and fills out the info on the first page to be imprinted on the red carbon layer. The Mitchell and Cooper ticket images only show the red carbon layer, not the top layer. In some cases, maybe very rare, the name box on the cover is filled out by the customer, you can see in the image where it is filled out, lines up with the name area and you can see the red carbon layer underneath. A customer wouldn't fill out the inside of the ticket but they might fill in the name box on the cover.

I am NOT claiming that the hijacker wrote the name, but exploring the possibility, hopefully to eliminate it.

In your other post, the "cover" photo was named "nwaticket1968.JPG" which leads me to believe the tickets and covers you posted were used in 1968.

I know for a fact that Mitchell's ticket was in an envelope because I took it out of the plastic bag that his mother kept it in, touched it, looked at it, set it on a chair and took a photo of it. 

Can you be 100% positive that these "covers" were used in 1971?

The tickets do come with envelopes, but the layers get separated, I don't know where the covers end up going, that is the key. If Mitchell said he didn't write anything, I believe him. However, Colbert claimed that he spoke to a ticket agent that said sometimes they do have the customer fill out the name. If that is true, (like the pic of the ticket I showed) then the name would be filled out in that box on the cover of an unopened ticket.

Mitchell's ticket was only part, not all layers.

I can't confirm NW Orient tickets in Portland in 1971 had that box on the cover, but every ticket I found in the era had that box, most had no name in that cover box. So, I assume it is optional. the name can be written on the front outside cover of the ticket or on the inside first page and show in the red carbon. An agent may ask the customer to fill their name in the box, then take it, open to first page and fill in the rest.

If the cover "name box" on Cooper's ticket was blank then he didn't sign it. 100%. The FBI must have the other layers of that ticket.

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