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« Reply #1530 on: March 18, 2017, 09:17:13 AM »
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Larry Carr claims they got DNA from the tie in 2001.

Anybody know how to contact Carr?



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Larry Carr claims they got DNA from the tie in 2001.

Anybody know how to contact Carr?


Nope. But the LMNO got him for the HC docu. Try Allison Berg. NYC office.

I tried searching and could only find linkedin saying he is still in the FBI..

Assume that is true, he is still in the FBI? Seattle office?
 

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« Reply #1531 on: March 18, 2017, 10:31:04 PM »
Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.
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« Reply #1532 on: March 18, 2017, 11:46:06 PM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.
 

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« Reply #1533 on: March 19, 2017, 09:52:57 AM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 11:23:10 AM by FLYJACK »
 

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« Reply #1534 on: March 19, 2017, 12:31:23 PM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten. 
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« Reply #1535 on: March 19, 2017, 03:10:18 PM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten.


AAAAACKK,,

This case sucks..

The irony is I checked my suspect's hand "printing" and it is an near perfect match to the plane ticket, BUT I completely discounted it convinced that the ticket agent filled it out.

I still believe that on balance but several hand writing experts claimed the name on the ticket matches the Vancouver letter. My suspect would have gone to Vancouver BC after the hijacking,,

So, either the ticket agent is the hijacker or hand writing analysis is a load of hooey..

Evidence supports ticket agent but is there any PROOF..  of course not, there was no hijacking
 

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« Reply #1536 on: March 19, 2017, 04:49:24 PM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten.


AAAAACKK,,

This case sucks..

The irony is I checked my suspect's hand "printing" and it is an near perfect match to the plane ticket, BUT I completely discounted it convinced that the ticket agent filled it out.

I still believe that on balance but several hand writing experts claimed the name on the ticket matches the Vancouver letter. My suspect would have gone to Vancouver BC after the hijacking,,

So, either the ticket agent is the hijacker or hand writing analysis is a load of hooey..

Evidence supports ticket agent but is there any PROOF..  of course not, there was no hijacking

There is absolutely no proof, or even a suggestion, that the NWA ticket agent was Cooper.  After his shift ended, the ticket agent went shopping at a Portland mall and was in contact with the FBI later that evening.  The ticket agent didn't know anything about the hijacking until he heard about it in the media or the FBI told him about it.  And the ticket agent didn't board the airliner in the first place.

Also, in the 1970 time frame, the ticket agents routinely filled out the entire ticket.  I spent quite a bit of time flying the airlines in that time frame and I NEVER filled out a ticket for myself or saw anyone else do that for themselves.  The agents always completed the entire ticket.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 04:50:30 PM by Robert99 »
 

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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten.


AAAAACKK,,

This case sucks..

The irony is I checked my suspect's hand "printing" and it is an near perfect match to the plane ticket, BUT I completely discounted it convinced that the ticket agent filled it out.

I still believe that on balance but several hand writing experts claimed the name on the ticket matches the Vancouver letter. My suspect would have gone to Vancouver BC after the hijacking,,

So, either the ticket agent is the hijacker or hand writing analysis is a load of hooey..

Evidence supports ticket agent but is there any PROOF..  of course not, there was no hijacking

There is absolutely no proof, or even a suggestion, that the NWA ticket agent was Cooper.  After his shift ended, the ticket agent went shopping at a Portland mall and was in contact with the FBI later that evening.  The ticket agent didn't know anything about the hijacking until he heard about it in the media or the FBI told him about it.  And the ticket agent didn't board the airliner in the first place.

Also, in the 1970 time frame, the ticket agents routinely filled out the entire ticket.  I spent quite a bit of time flying the airlines in that time frame and I NEVER filled out a ticket for myself or saw anyone else do that for themselves.  The agents always completed the entire ticket.

I know the ticket agent wasn't the hijacker, I was using the logic to make a point.

The Colbert experts claim that the Vancouver letter matches the "Dan Cooper" written on the plane ticket, if it was in fact written by the ticket agent then the Vancouver letter was also.. huh, what

So, there are a few options.

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter (hijacker). SILLY

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and field of hand writing analysis is hooey. MAYBE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter. SLIM CHANCE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and didn't write the Vancouver letter and hand writing analysis is hooey. HMMMM

I do believe it is far far more likely that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket, but there is still a small possibility that the hijacker wrote the name. Like almost everything in this case there is no PROOF... I haven't seen any proof, who wrote the name on the ticket.

That ticket is a contract is it not signed somewhere?? Colbert claimed it was signed by the hijacker, could that signature be elsewhere? not the printed name?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 05:26:08 PM by FLYJACK »
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1538 on: March 19, 2017, 08:44:36 PM »
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Jo, cooper paid for the drink (singular) with a $20 bill. He paid before he got the $200,000. 

He was seen smoking, in fact Tina struck a match to one for him.


What happened to the $20 the hijacker used to pay for the drink,,

prints? dna?
 

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« Reply #1539 on: March 19, 2017, 11:55:51 PM »
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Jo, cooper paid for the drink (singular) with a $20 bill. He paid before he got the $200,000. 

He was seen smoking, in fact Tina struck a match to one for him.


What happened to the $20 the hijacker used to pay for the drink,,

prints? dna?

good question - several versions over the years - she gave it back - she gave him change which he offered back but she refused saying they couldnt take tips so he pocketed the change - .......................................    :-\
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« Reply #1540 on: March 20, 2017, 01:47:03 AM »
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten.


AAAAACKK,,

This case sucks..

The irony is I checked my suspect's hand "printing" and it is an near perfect match to the plane ticket, BUT I completely discounted it convinced that the ticket agent filled it out.

I still believe that on balance but several hand writing experts claimed the name on the ticket matches the Vancouver letter. My suspect would have gone to Vancouver BC after the hijacking,,

So, either the ticket agent is the hijacker or hand writing analysis is a load of hooey..

Evidence supports ticket agent but is there any PROOF..  of course not, there was no hijacking

There is absolutely no proof, or even a suggestion, that the NWA ticket agent was Cooper.  After his shift ended, the ticket agent went shopping at a Portland mall and was in contact with the FBI later that evening.  The ticket agent didn't know anything about the hijacking until he heard about it in the media or the FBI told him about it.  And the ticket agent didn't board the airliner in the first place.

Also, in the 1970 time frame, the ticket agents routinely filled out the entire ticket.  I spent quite a bit of time flying the airlines in that time frame and I NEVER filled out a ticket for myself or saw anyone else do that for themselves.  The agents always completed the entire ticket.

I know the ticket agent wasn't the hijacker, I was using the logic to make a point.

The Colbert experts claim that the Vancouver letter matches the "Dan Cooper" written on the plane ticket, if it was in fact written by the ticket agent then the Vancouver letter was also.. huh, what

So, there are a few options.

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter (hijacker). SILLY

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and field of hand writing analysis is hooey. MAYBE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter. SLIM CHANCE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and didn't write the Vancouver letter and hand writing analysis is hooey. HMMMM

I do believe it is far far more likely that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket, but there is still a small possibility that the hijacker wrote the name. Like almost everything in this case there is no PROOF... I haven't seen any proof, who wrote the name on the ticket.

That ticket is a contract is it not signed somewhere?? Colbert claimed it was signed by the hijacker, could that signature be elsewhere? not the printed name?

Cooper paid exactly $20.00 cash (using a $20.00 bill) for the ticket and there is NO possibility that he would write anything on the ticket.  No signature or identification of any kind was needed to purchase such a ticket in 1971 or to board the aircraft.  It may be difficult to believe in this day and age, but back then all you needed to do to board a flight was get a ticket and climb up the stairs.  In some east  coast shuttle flight operations, it was possible to buy the ticket after boarding the airliner.
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Looking at the Colbert site, they claim the "Dan Cooper" writing on the flight ticket "has similarities" "indicating written by the same person" as the writing on the Vancouver letter..

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

If it wasn't, why would they make the claim, if it was I can compare to my suspect..

and if my suspect matches the ticket then the Vancouver letter is a match - according to their hand writing expert. How ironic.

I thought the name on the ticket wasn't written by the hijacker, but by the ticket agent, anybody know?

That's correct. Ticket agent filled out & wrote the name' not cooper.

That is what I thought,

I asked them for clarification, Colbert responded to his credit.

well of course! one church nullifies another church nullifies a third, then St Peter steps in to correct St Paul, then time passes, world goes to hell, and we all wind up living on Mars with a brand new church of the .... anointed.

it wont be long now -  !    :))   Cooper, Carr, and Colbert all long forgotten.


AAAAACKK,,

This case sucks..

The irony is I checked my suspect's hand "printing" and it is an near perfect match to the plane ticket, BUT I completely discounted it convinced that the ticket agent filled it out.

I still believe that on balance but several hand writing experts claimed the name on the ticket matches the Vancouver letter. My suspect would have gone to Vancouver BC after the hijacking,,

So, either the ticket agent is the hijacker or hand writing analysis is a load of hooey..

Evidence supports ticket agent but is there any PROOF..  of course not, there was no hijacking

There is absolutely no proof, or even a suggestion, that the NWA ticket agent was Cooper.  After his shift ended, the ticket agent went shopping at a Portland mall and was in contact with the FBI later that evening.  The ticket agent didn't know anything about the hijacking until he heard about it in the media or the FBI told him about it.  And the ticket agent didn't board the airliner in the first place.

Also, in the 1970 time frame, the ticket agents routinely filled out the entire ticket.  I spent quite a bit of time flying the airlines in that time frame and I NEVER filled out a ticket for myself or saw anyone else do that for themselves.  The agents always completed the entire ticket.

I know the ticket agent wasn't the hijacker, I was using the logic to make a point.

The Colbert experts claim that the Vancouver letter matches the "Dan Cooper" written on the plane ticket, if it was in fact written by the ticket agent then the Vancouver letter was also.. huh, what

So, there are a few options.

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter (hijacker). SILLY

The ticket agent filled out the entire ticket and field of hand writing analysis is hooey. MAYBE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and wrote the Vancouver letter. SLIM CHANCE

The hijacker filled out his name on the ticket and didn't write the Vancouver letter and hand writing analysis is hooey. HMMMM

I do believe it is far far more likely that the ticket agent filled out the entire ticket, but there is still a small possibility that the hijacker wrote the name. Like almost everything in this case there is no PROOF... I haven't seen any proof, who wrote the name on the ticket.

That ticket is a contract is it not signed somewhere?? Colbert claimed it was signed by the hijacker, could that signature be elsewhere? not the printed name?

Cooper paid exactly $20.00 cash (using a $20.00 bill) for the ticket and there is NO possibility that he would write anything on the ticket.  No signature or identification of any kind was needed to purchase such a ticket in 1971 or to board the aircraft.  It may be difficult to believe in this day and age, but back then all you needed to do to board a flight was get a ticket and climb up the stairs.  In some east  coast shuttle flight operations, it was possible to buy the ticket after boarding the airliner.

I am trying to work through how Colbert could interpret Cooper "signed" the ticket based on a FBI presentation.
Perhaps the FBI agent said he signed it "Dan Cooper" in a general sense not himself physically.

I think the probability of the hijacker physically signing is extremely slim.

I found a few ticket samples and they all look to be filled out by one person, the ticket agent. There is a box on the front where the name can go and it lines up with the name on the carbon, one ticket I found had the name written there on the front in ballpoint pen, all others were blank in that spot.
I just can't tell if it is possible to have a customer write their name in that box on the front and it transfer to the carbon.

This is a pic of a pair of tickets.
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« Reply #1542 on: March 20, 2017, 08:37:48 AM »
This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.
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« Reply #1543 on: March 20, 2017, 11:46:11 AM »
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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.
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« Reply #1544 on: March 20, 2017, 11:53:02 AM »
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This is the ticket filled out on front, lines up with name on carbon, all other tickets I found were blank here and this may not go through to carbon?

If that name box doesn't go through to the carbon then no way he signed the ticket. The ticket agent opens the ticket to fill it out, the hijacker wouldn't have filled out an open ticket. A customer may have filled out the name box on the front of the ticket.

When Mark and I met with William Mitchell on September 24, 2015, Bill brought his original ticket from the hijacking. I asked him specifically if he signed his ticket, He looked at it and said, "No. That is not my handwriting."

Attached is William Mitchell's ticket with the NWA envelope. Also, for comparison, a copy of the Cooper Ticket from the FBI's Flicker account.

To me, the writing is very similar. Not just the name on the tickets, but all the numbers/writing in the boxes.

I agree but the front cover of the ticket is missing..  with the name box.

I still do believe that the ticket agent wrote the entire ticket, but this is one of the elements in this case that should be 100% settled, unlike most of the other elements.